Climbing accident, Northwich, Cheshire

[Bolt]

On 21/03/2025 at 17:12, kram said:

 

Guess where those fines go? Hint, its not to the injured party, not the NHS who saved his life. HSE get it.

 

@kram What on earth makes you think this?

[kram]

Am I wrong? Are you suggesting it goes to the NHS or the injured persons?

It is stated in the HSE docs that it goes to them to fund further HSE enforcement/action. Should be on their website.

 

[Bolt]

44 minutes ago, kram said:

Am I wrong? Are you suggesting it goes to the NHS or the injured persons?

It is stated in the HSE docs that it goes to them to fund further HSE enforcement/action. Should be on their website.

 

Am I wrong? Yes

 

Are you suggesting it goes to the NHS or the injured persons? No

 

It is stated in the HSE docs that it goes to them to fund further HSE enforcement/action. Should be on their website. Don’t think so.

 

I think you may be getting a criminal prosecution mixed up with a civil claim.

 

The HSE doesn’t fine you,  they would present a case against you, but you would be prosecuted by a judge or magistrate at a criminal court.  If found guilty, the judge / magistrate would decide If a fine was appropriate, and decide how much.  The money goes to the Treasury.

[krummholz]

https://press.hse.gov.uk/2025/05/07/school-trust-fined-after-member-of-public-hit-by-falling-tree-branch/

[kram]

Fair enough I was wrong.

Interesting article in the HSE link. Accident appears to be due to a rope snapping. The pictured rope appears to be an old climbing line rather than proper rigging rope, and that is not mentioned, just that he was unqualified.

 

 

[krummholz]

2 hours ago, kram said:

Fair enough I was wrong.

Interesting article in the HSE link. Accident appears to be due to a rope snapping. The pictured rope appears to be an old climbing line rather than proper rigging rope, and that is not mentioned, just that he was unqualified.

 

 

Nothing wrong with using an old climbing rope for rigging as long as it's given an appropriate SWL. I'm guessing that wasn't the case here though.

[kram]

Climbing rope is usually lower rated, ofcourse depends how big you are rigging. However the condition is important as I have seen many rigging on retired climbing rope, with saw cuts and excessive fraying that would not pass loler.

[Mick Dempsey]

Old climbing line is fine for light rigging, even the tail end of your  climbing line. 
I prefer polypropylene three strand, less stretchy. 
Which is what I was using today as it happens. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Mick Dempsey

[Mick Dempsey]

57 minutes ago, kram said:

Climbing rope is usually lower rated, ofcourse depends how big you are rigging. However the condition is important as I have seen many rigging on retired climbing rope, with saw cuts and excessive fraying that would not pass loler.

Which is why it got retired. 

[Joe Newton]

It always amuses me when people retire climbing rope and put it into rigging, under the assumption that "it's never been shock loaded" is the only factor. 

 

I'll accept using old climb line as a tag rope, but rigging rope really isn't expensive. Why would you risk it?