Anyone still like Labour?

[GarethM]

1 hour ago, Mark J said:

Invest more into science for greater good. 

Current tech isn't good enough. The climate is already on it's way to inhabitable for a huge amount of the critters that live on earth. We are going through the most accelerated extinction event on record. 

The human race is ****************ed unless we pull our fingers out. It might already be kaput given the current political climate, but that might change. Think what you want mate.

Absolute utter tosh and you know it.

 

All your doing with your climate bs is creating more useless boondoggles and fancy bs, cut out the middleman and just sack you ed the Muppet and scrap the wind chimes.

[sime42]

Which bit exactly was tosh, or do you believe non of it?

 

Surely you can see with your own eyes that the natural world around us is not the same as when we were kids. There's got to be reasons for that.

 

 

[GarethM]

Just now, sime42 said:

Which bit exactly was tosh, or do you believe non of it?

 

Surely you can see with your own eyes that the natural world around us is not the same as when we were kids. There's got to be reasons for that.

Without sounding like Donald, c Hina.

 

You export all the manufacturers to China and you you wonder why the planet gets more polluted.

[peds]

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[GarethM]

1 minute ago, peds said:

Insects are disappearing due to agriculture – and many other drivers, new research reveals | Binghamton News

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Insects are disappearing at an alarming rate worldwide, but why? Agricultural intensification tops the list of...

And where is that prey tell?. 

 

Not bloody here!.

[sime42]

21 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Without sounding like Donald, c Hina.

 

You export all the manufacturers to China and you you wonder why the planet gets more polluted.

 

I didn't export all the manufacturers to China, and similarly to you, I don't believe it was a good idea. Also, I don't wonder why the world gets more polluted, I know why. The world would still get more polluted, even if we made all the stuff here, rather than in China, it would just happen slightly less rapidly. Though I guess you're referring to the difference in emissions standards, which is obviously a factor, but by no means the be all and end all. We'd do well to buy less crap from China anyway. 

 

The bottom line is we make too much stuff, (doesn't much matter where in the world that happens), because we consume too much stuff. And to make matters worse, we make the wrong kind of stuff, stuff that we dont need, and from the wrong raw materials and energy sources.

 

I agree that CO2 capture is largely bollocks, it's a pipe dream that it'll be effective enough to get us out of the shit. Politicians like it because it's an easy idea to flog to the masses. The only answer is to dramatically reduce the amount that we're pumping out in the first place. By dramatically reducing our overconsumption of lots of stuff. The politicians don't like that idea, you can guess why.

 

Insects are disappearing at an alarming rate right here in the UK. I hope you don't consider that to be opinion rather than fact. That isn't happening solely because of the filthy manufacturing practices used in China, it's more local than that. It's mainly happening because of things we're doing right here in the UK. (I'm not critiscising you personally as a farmer Gareth).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GarethM]

40 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

I didn't export all the manufacturers to China, and similarly to you, I don't believe it was a good idea. Also, I don't wonder why the world gets more polluted, I know why. The world would still get more polluted, even if we made all the stuff here, rather than in China, it would just happen slightly less rapidly. Though I guess you're referring to the difference in emissions standards, which is obviously a factor, but by no means the be all and end all. We'd do well to buy less crap from China anyway. 

 

The bottom line is we make too much stuff, (doesn't much matter where in the world that happens), because we consume too much stuff. And to make matters worse, we make the wrong kind of stuff, stuff that we dont need, and from the wrong raw materials and energy sources.

 

I agree that CO2 capture is largely bollocks, it's a pipe dream that it'll be effective enough to get us out of the shit. Politicians like it because it's an easy idea to flog to the masses. The only answer is to dramatically reduce the amount that we're pumping out in the first place. By dramatically reducing our overconsumption of lots of stuff. The politicians don't like that idea, you can guess why.

 

Insects are disappearing at an alarming rate right here in the UK. I hope you don't consider that to be opinion rather than fact. That isn't happening solely because of the filthy manufacturing practices used in China, it's more local than that. It's mainly happening because of things we're doing right here in the UK. (I'm not critiscising you personally as a farmer Gareth).

So at 1% of global emissions, we practically make sod all, ban pretty much anything and everything, listen incessantly to "educated" environmental types and you're still claiming it's all going south.

 

Soooo, definition of insanity is what ?.

Ah yes, doing an ed balls and doubling down.

[Johnsond]

22 minutes ago, GarethM said:

So at 1% of global emissions, we practically make sod all, ban pretty much anything and everything, listen incessantly to "educated" environmental types and you're still claiming it's all going south.

 

Soooo, definition of insanity is what ?.

Ah yes, doing an ed balls and doubling down.

https://thedocs.worldbank.org/en/doc/d01b4aebd8a10513c0e341de5e1f652e-0400072024/original/Global-Gas-Flaring-Tracker-Report-June-20-2024.pdf

Labour think shutting the UK sector N Sea ops is gonna make a difference as do a few on here. Obviously none of them have stood on deck in the Persian Gulf or offshore of any of the African oil producers at night and watched what goes on. We are being led by total retards whose job is made very easy even the gullible just swallow the shite without question. 
Chatting to an Indian network engineer today whos working in the USA and tried to explain the proposed 2030 new petrol diesel car ban, first thing he asked was is the charging infrastructure in place, second comment was battery technology is nowhere near good enough yet. 

Edited April 22 by Johnsond

[GarethM]

1 minute ago, Johnsond said:

https://thedocs.worldbank.org/en/doc/d01b4aebd8a10513c0e341de5e1f652e-0400072024/original/Global-Gas-Flaring-Tracker-Report-June-20-2024.pdf

Labour think shutting the UK sector N Sea ops is gonna make a difference as do a few on here. Obviously none of them have stood on deck in the Persian Gulf or offshore of any of the African oil producers at night and watched what goes on. We are being led by totally retards. 

Bit like that in his own words over paid head of British Gas, saying he wasn't refilling the gas storage during the summer whilst gas price is lower.

 

At what 8.3bn for GB energy, we could have just bought British Gas and just let Wallace swan around that!.

[sime42]

8 hours ago, GarethM said:

So at 1% of global emissions, we practically make sod all, ban pretty much anything and everything, listen incessantly to "educated" environmental types and you're still claiming it's all going south.

 

Soooo, definition of insanity is what ?.

Ah yes, doing an ed balls and doubling down.

Yes, it's all going south, insect and other wildlife populations are collapsing right here in the UK. Or do you want to refute that evidence?

 

Climate Change and Biodiversity Collapse are two seperate issues. Connected, but seperate. It looks like you are conflating the two. The fact that we're only resposnsible for 1% of global emissions, (Directly. Indidirectly it's quite a lot higher than that when you include all the crap we get shipped over from China), doesn't mean that insect numbers aren't plummiting at a dramatic rate, right here in the UK. I think habitat and food source loss and pesticide use are largely responsible for that.

Trying to stay focused here; this is nothing to do with Ed Balls or a definition of insanity or education level.