How much should you pay?

[dodger]

There were a lot less of us then.

 

 

 

 

, lot of the big firms that give you price work from 10 to 15 years ago the prices has drop to nearly half, with more and more firms now that can complete with them now the prices will full even more, a few weeks ago i started work for one large firm and they were paying some immergrants £60 a week for ground work, they live on site at the yard. going back on price with one large firm one could earn £700 to £900 a week but these day with the same firm your luckly to earn £400 to £550 aweek and thats going flat out,and breaking many rules. i hate to think what the wages will be like in ten years times, as in the last twenty years they have drop or just even out, but as more and more cheap labour are avaiable the wages are only going to get worst.

 

its a hard and dangerous job you can earn more money now driveing a 7.5 lorry delivering goods

[Mesterh]

What planet am I on? I've caused ructions before and seemingly will do again! The above is illegal in that it is below the Nat. Min. Wage is it not??? Tell me the employer and I'd burn his house down.

 

Next, how the HELL do you lot get away with these rates of pay? I must be in some sort of wierd bubble and need educating - please fill me in...

 

I can't get a groundy for less than £100 a day, typically £120 and this is a dogs body not someone good on the ropes etc (on one very rare occasion I had a guy on a log splitter for £60 a day but it clearly riled both him and others to see me paying him "so little".

 

A climber on less than £100 a day? I just don't get it:confused1: I simply can't get a subbie climber for less than £120 a day and have been known to pay £250 plus a day ??????????????????????????

 

What on earth has gone wrong with my figures?

 

 

But then I passed an Esso garage in a dank corner of cornwall yesterday and diesel was 137.9 per litre...

 

No wonder you all need to be better paid:scared1:

 

£100 a day for someone to just hump logs and brash is well I should say madness but tbh if thats what people can get then brilliant, if you know what I mean.

[Mesterh]

, lot of the big firms that give you price work from 10 to 15 years ago the prices has drop to nearly half, with more and more firms now that can complete with them now the prices will full even more, a few weeks ago i started work for one large firm and they were paying some immergrants £60 a week for ground work, they live on site at the yard. going back on price with one large firm one could earn £700 to £900 a week but these day with the same firm your luckly to earn £400 to £550 aweek and thats going flat out,and breaking many rules. i hate to think what the wages will be like in ten years times, as in the last twenty years they have drop or just even out, but as more and more cheap labour are avaiable the wages are only going to get worst.

 

its a hard and dangerous job you can earn more money now driveing a 7.5 lorry delivering goods

 

 

Sounds highly illegal to me!

[dodger]

Sounds highly illegal to me!

 

 

 

 

most firms work illegal

these days its profits over health and safety

[paradise]

sounds spot on to me but i think the most fustrating thing is that generally its not enough in terms of the job itself as you can go get a job washing up in a pub while listening to your i pod for 60 quid a day :confused1:which i guess is why some guys think they will be earning more for swinging a chainsaw around (which you probably should be) but life just aint like that

 

This is the thing, what the original post gave are quite normal wages, but that's quite a different thing from them being good or even adequate wages for a harshly physical job with some skill and high risk involved.

 

I understand employers here are going to say 'You should feel lucky to have a job at all' etc to the low-paid groundies etc, because they feel their profits being squeezed, and ultimately the wage is pretty much set by the market anyway, but you shouldn't confuse what the situation *is* with what the situation *should* be.

 

I think anyone who thinks you should get the same wage for lifting tons of wood every day, using chainsaws, being out in all weathers, as you do for working in a pub or stacking shelves is probably talking in their own self-interest. I think wages in the industry *should* be higher than they are, and I think some of the employers on here could be a bit more sympathetic when workers complain of low wages. You may feel you can't pay more - and that may even be true- but I reckon arb workers often deserve more, and if they think that too, maybe it isn't out of ingratitude, just a realisation that they do a dangerous job that's often mighty hard work and they ought to be paid accordingly.

 

Rant over

[skyhuck]

This is the thing, what the original post gave are quite normal wages, but that's quite a different thing from them being good or even adequate wages for a harshly physical job with some skill and high risk involved.

 

I understand employers here are going to say 'You should feel lucky to have a job at all' etc to the low-paid groundies etc, because they feel their profits being squeezed, and ultimately the wage is pretty much set by the market anyway, but you shouldn't confuse what the situation *is* with what the situation *should* be.

 

I think anyone who thinks you should get the same wage for lifting tons of wood every day, using chainsaws, being out in all weathers, as you do for working in a pub or stacking shelves is probably talking in their own self-interest. I think wages in the industry *should* be higher than they are, and I think some of the employers on here could be a bit more sympathetic when workers complain of low wages. You may feel you can't pay more - and that may even be true- but I reckon arb workers often deserve more, and if they think that too, maybe it isn't out of ingratitude, just a realisation that they do a dangerous job that's often mighty hard work and they ought to be paid accordingly.

 

Rant over

 

Its just down to supply and demand unfortunately. You only need to look at all the threads started on here by guy trying to get into the job.

 

Tube train drivers are on over 34K, this is because they could not get enough drivers, so they upped the wage to get the staff. The fire men heard what they were on and thought we should get that, our job is more skilled and dangerous than driving a train!!!

 

BUT for every fire service vacancy they get 80 applicants!!, so why pay more???

 

As long as there are guys who will work for £50 or £60 a day, people will pay £50 or £60 a day.

[tommer9]

Its just down to supply and demand unfortunately.

 

As long as there are guys who will work for £50 or £60 a day, people will pay £50 or £60 a day.

 

This is the bottom line unfortunately. There is such an excess of unskilled labour in this country that employers can get away with paying next to nothing as there will always be someone else ready to step in at a pittance wage than be on the dole. This will only become worse if/ when the government introduce benefits schemes such as in the states, where you have a limit to how long you can claim benefit and then you have to fend fo yourself.

[paradise]

Yep, I know it's down to supply and demand. You pay what the market rate is, and what you feel your profit margins can allow. I know all that and I'm not having a go at anyone.

 

I'm just saying don't kid yourself it's a good wage for the nature of the work. It isn't, it's a pretty crap wage, and I'm not surprised when employees complain. So when you can afford it, please try to be nice and prioritise wages over increased profit margins

 

Here's hoping the market picks up soon

[shabz1978]

As long as there are guys who will work for £50 or £60 a day, people will pay £50 or £60 a day.

 

Well said!!! if you get paid £25 a day then, who's fault is that? If you're not happy then go work in asda.

 

I always wonder why i don't get paid more for chipping than i do for climbing, not the other way round. i love climbing!! but why on earth would i ever want to feed a chipper??

[Mozza]

but why on earth would i ever want to feed a chipper??

 

Because its part of the job?