Restricted O License

[Johnsond]

Hi All

Just wondering if any member has applied for and runs with a restricted o licence. If yes did anyone use one of the many firms offering assistance or did you just undertake  the application process yourself. 
Cheers 

[aspenarb]

You wont need any help with a restricted license, all the info is in the pack and its all pretty straight forward. Gets a bit more involved with a standard national or standard international.

 

Bob

[William Clifford]

Doing domestic Arb using my own 7.5T, do I need a standard national license or would I be ok with the restricted license? gov.uk says standard covers own goods and other peoples, restricted are only own goods.

 

I imagine if I take my staff and kit to a job, remove wood chip and logs back to my yard then I'd be ok on restricted? If I took the wood chip and logs to someone else's yard or was picking up or dropping off for example a mewp I'd hired in for a day would that make any difference?

 

And would it make any difference if it was an employee or contractor driving my vehicle if we got checked?

[William Clifford]

Also from the gov.uk website:

 

Motor vehicles and trailers

You need a licence for a motor vehicle and trailer combination if:

-the motor vehicle and the trailer(s) are plated and the total of their gross plated weights is more than 3,500 kg

-the total unladen weight of the vehicle and trailer combination is more than 1,525 kg

-You do not need an operator’s licence if your trailer’s unladen weight is less than 1,020 kg and you only carry your own goods.

 

Does this mean that anyone in a Defender or Transit GVW 3500kg towing an Ifor tipper GVW 3500kg which of course car license holders are allowed to do needs to be operating from a yard with an O license?

[aspenarb]

20 hours ago, William Clifford said:

Also from the gov.uk website:

Does this mean that anyone in a Defender or Transit GVW 3500kg towing an Ifor tipper GVW 3500kg which of course car license holders are allowed to do needs to be operating from a yard with an O license?

 

4x4's under 2,040kg are exempt.

 

3.3 Dual-purpose vehicle and trailer combinations

A dual-purpose vehicle and any trailer drawn by it is identified as being exempt from operator licensing under existing legislation. Therefore, where you use a 4x4 and trailer, an operator’s licence will not be required.

Examples of dual-purpose vehicles can include 4x4 all-terrain vehicles or even estate cars: vehicles which are constructed or adapted for the carriage of both goods and passengers. The unladen weight is 2,040kg.

[Ernesto]

So I'm assuming the above quoted from government website means that: if you have a 3.5t van and are towing a 3.5t trailer which is below 1020kg unladen, train weight 7t. Transporting your own equipment for work then you are O licence exempt?

[William Clifford]

Dual purpose vehicle aside, going through the gov.uk points:

 

You need a licence for a motor vehicle and trailer combination if:

-the motor vehicle and the trailer(s) are plated and the total of their gross plated weights is more than 3,500 kg = Transit and Ifor tipper would be 7T so needs an O liscense? Transit and 750kg chipper would be 4250kg so also needs an O liscense?

-the total unladen weight of the vehicle and trailer combination is more than 1,525 kg = Transit will weigh say 2T and Ifor tipper 800kg so well over 1525kg - so needs an O license? No difference if it's a transit and chipper?

-You do not need an operator’s licence if your trailer’s unladen weight is less than 1,020 kg and you only carry your own goods. = Ok so no O liscense needed as long as it is my own goods - I'm guessing as Ernesto is thinking, this 'exemption' trumps the 1st point of being over 3500kg total?

 

I mainly came here to ask about the O liscense for the 7.5T but was curious when I saw the above on the gov.uk website. @Justme would you know if a restricted liscense is enough for myself and one other driver, moving wood chip from job to tip site and towing hired in equipment occasionally?

[woody paul]

3 minutes ago, William Clifford said:

Dual purpose vehicle aside, going through the gov.uk points:

 

 

You need a licence for a motor vehicle and trailer combination if:

-the motor vehicle and the trailer(s) are plated and the total of their gross plated weights is more than 3,500 kg = Transit and Ifor tipper would be 7T so needs an O liscense? Transit and 750kg chipper would be 4250kg so also needs an O liscense?

-the total unladen weight of the vehicle and trailer combination is more than 1,525 kg = Transit will weigh say 2T and Ifor tipper 800kg so well over 1525kg - so needs an O license? No difference if it's a transit and chipper?

-You do not need an operator’s licence if your trailer’s unladen weight is less than 1,020 kg and you only carry your own goods. = Ok so no O liscense needed as long as it is my own goods - I'm guessing as Ernesto is thinking, this 'exemption' trumps the 1st point of being over 3500kg total?

 

I mainly came here to ask about the O liscense for the 7.5T but was curious when I saw the above on the gov.uk website. @Justme would you know if a restricted liscense is enough for myself and one other driver, moving wood chip from job to tip site and towing hired in equipment occasionally?

Bet there's not many both as not running out every day with trailer, 

[Johnsond]

The amount of red tape and hoops to jump through is insane, had the truck tested and the fitter who did the prep for me and took it in was explaining that it was gonna lose tbe 5th wheel and have a generator permanently fitted. The tester stated it would need to be reclassified as “ wheeled plant” and tested accordingly. Starting to wish I’d never started the process. 

[aspenarb]

9 hours ago, Johnsond said:

The amount of red tape and hoops to jump through is insane, had the truck tested and the fitter who did the prep for me and took it in was explaining that it was gonna lose tbe 5th wheel and have a generator permanently fitted. The tester stated it would need to be reclassified as “ wheeled plant” and tested accordingly. Starting to wish I’d never started the process. 

 

Its in your interest to get the ex tractor unit downplated, with the fifth wheel removed it would be impossible to get enough weight on the back of the truck to perform a brake test, as a bonus the downplated tractor unit will be a lot cheaper to tax.

 

Bob