Russia Invades ukraine

[GarethM]

Why not use a little common sense before throwing you're toys out of the pram, the same deal pretty much Boris was touting briefly.

 

Russia keeps the Donbas, the river becomes the border and the EU/NATO set up along it.

 

Unless you'd like a DMZ like north/south Korea, Cyprus or Germany?.

[Steven P]

Ahh so the aggressor, Russia wins, the victim, Ukraine looses? Do you think that is acceptable to all sides and it is a deal that would have been achievable 3 years ago when Russia was controlling much more land... that would appease them so they don't take any more, ever. I don't.

 

Pretty much, "Roll over Ukraine, surrender" and all is good in the world?

 

[GarethM]

17 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Ahh so the aggressor, Russia wins, the victim, Ukraine looses? Do you think that is acceptable to all sides and it is a deal that would have been achievable 3 years ago when Russia was controlling much more land... that would appease them so they don't take any more, ever. I don't.

 

Pretty much, "Roll over Ukraine, surrender" and all is good in the world?

Well with you encyclopedic knowledge, why not find me a country that got invaded and got it all back (WW1&2 excluding as that was a world war)

 

It's called negotiation, do you seriously think Russia is just going to stop and go home?.

 

If you actually believe that take all records of your education and burn them on a BBQ in the garden as they've taught you nothing.

Edited February 19 by GarethM

[Steven P]

Going back to where we were this morning, Trump is saying to The Ukraine that they should have done a deal 3 years ago. The deal you are thinking of was not acceptable to the Ukraine 3 years ago, and in fact while Russia was making advances into the country they were not looking for a deal either - brute force tactics from them. 

 

So Trump saying "You should have done a deal 3 years ago" are just empty words.

 

I'll fire it back to you, do you think that 3 years ago The Ukraine would have settled to hand over the Donbas region? Do you think that was the deal to be done?

[GarethM]

22 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Going back to where we were this morning, Trump is saying to The Ukraine that they should have done a deal 3 years ago. The deal you are thinking of was not acceptable to the Ukraine 3 years ago, and in fact while Russia was making advances into the country they were not looking for a deal either - brute force tactics from them. 

 

So Trump saying "You should have done a deal 3 years ago" are just empty words.

 

I'll fire it back to you, do you think that 3 years ago The Ukraine would have settled to hand over the Donbas region? Do you think that was the deal to be done?

Well it's pretty obvious I say yes a deal should have been done.

 

And as usual you're just stuck to your moral high ground of Russia should go home, stomp feet they're bad waffle waffle waffle.

 

So what's your solution, they aren't going home so...........

[Mark J]

4 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Well it's pretty obvious I say yes a deal should have been done.

 

And as usual you're just stuck to your moral high ground of Russia should go home, stomp feet they're bad waffle waffle waffle.

 

So what's your solution, they aren't going home so...........

Why do you think Trump hasn't told Putin to withdraw his army? Surely that would be the quickest way to end the war...

[Steven P]

Not on a moral high ground, looking pragmatically, 3 years ago if the deal was "Ukraine give Russia the Donbas region and they will stop fighting for now" as you suggest... would that deal actually have been agreed and signed off?

 

No moral high ground to say at the time that would not happen, not a deal that would ever be given credibility.

 

If that deal was not possible - at the time - and I think we all know that The Ukraine would never have agreed to that - then with all of Trumps superior world political knowledge - what was the deal he is thinking that could have been done.

[GarethM]

What did I say about the river ?.

 

As usual zero solutions, just political waffle and grandstanding expecting Putin to just go home.

[Mark J]

9 minutes ago, GarethM said:

What did I say about the river ?.

 

As usual zero solutions, just political waffle and grandstanding expecting Putin to just go home.

Aye, but he invaded a Sovereign country, why is Putin even there in the first place?

Keep drinking the Kool Aid, GarethM.

Edited February 19 by Mark J

[GarethM]

Ok, as a compromise for you and the Ukrainian leader.

 

Fight aslong as you wish, but from today all armour and supplies are provided on a lend lease agreement like WW2.

 

See how long it takes for a agreement to be reached shall we, instead of grifting his way around the world.