Prices in Germany

[Rich Rule]

Hopefully.  Proper expensive now.  After the last bill of 400 quid we have stopped using the Varmepumper and make sure we are turning all the light out and closing the bathroom doors.  The kids leave them open and the underfloor heating constantly kicks in.

 

Gonna try and get through this month and see what the bill is and work from there.

[Vedhoggar]

2 hours ago, Stere said:

Wonder if more  heat pumps is reducing  firewood demand?

 

 

 

UK trailing most European countries on putting heat pumps in homes, figures show

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Britain was joint last out of 21 countries for heat pump sales and second last for the number of households that have the...

 

 

 

 

Wait until they find out the heat pumps aren't heating the water above 40C and the emersion heater is kicking in to raise the temperature to 60C, the required stored water temperature to kill legionella bacteria and the electric bill goes up also the building isn't warm enough on those very cold winter days in the UK with the poor insulation and additional heating is required/cost ... I think more wood stoves might be installed not less! Also if we fall out with Mr Putin, Emmanuel Macron or who ever else in future and they turn off the supply of gas or electric to UK it might be good to have a woodstove to fall back on.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Vedhoggar

[Vedhoggar]

11 minutes ago, Rich Rule said:

Hopefully.  Proper expensive now.  After the last bill of 400 quid we have stopped using the Varmepumper and make sure we are turning all the light out and closing the bathroom doors.  The kids leave them open and the underfloor heating constantly kicks in.

 

Gonna try and get through this month and see what the bill is and work from there.

Well good luck with that and winters in Norway can be cold in places I know having lived there.  We are paying (UK) £150 per month throughout the year with wood used for both central heating (three bedroomed house) as well as all domestic hot water (with exception of water for shower). We are self-sufficient in firewood.

[Rich Rule]

Luckily our house is pretty new.  Decent energy rating and insulated.

 

it hold the heat pretty well.

[Woodworks]

2 hours ago, Vedhoggar said:

Wait until they find out the heat pumps aren't heating the water above 40C and the emersion heater is kicking in to raise the temperature to 60C, the required stored water temperature to kill legionella bacteria and the electric bill goes up also the building isn't warm enough on those very cold winter days in the UK with the poor insulation and additional heating is required/cost ... I think more wood stoves might be installed not less! Also if we fall out with Mr Putin, Emmanuel Macron or who ever else in future and they turn off the supply of gas or electric to UK it might be good to have a woodstove to fall back on.

Not sure how other models work but our IVT heat pump was set to heat the HW up to 60C once a week. I have adjusted it to only do it once a month now as real world legionella risks from domestic how water appear to be near zero. 

[trigger_andy]

7 hours ago, Rich Rule said:

We just had a load delivered as due to being off sick I had t collected enough for the full winter.  Got a nice couple of piles of 2 year seasoned, Oak, Ash, Beech, Plum, Pear, Apple and Elm and various Pine and Spruce kicking about.

 

I tried to order a pallet when I got back to Norway from the Uk in September and my mate was already sold out.  So we found another supplier.  They delivered a tightly packed pallet of seasoned Birch for 2300 Norwegian Crown.

 

Burns fast for a so called premium product but is ok when supplemented with some bits of proper hardwood I have.

 

As for the cost per metre2.  No idea.

 

 

Looks like one favn to me. 

 

edit, maybe half a favn.  

Edited November 14, 2021 by trigger_andy

[Rich Rule]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

 

Is it just the very high electricity prices that are buggering up the economics of it for you at the moment Rich or is there something else in the mix? Is the weather that much more savage in Norway?

The high electricity prices have everyone over at the moment.  
 

We have 2 kids who tend to leave lights on everywhere they go, leave the bog door open.  The list is endless.  In the past the electricity was so cheap it didn’t have much of an impact.  Now the electricity price is 10x the lower levels it does make a difference.

 

We also have a tenant in the rental flat under our house.  His missus must have the underfloor heat on full blast all the time.  Plus he is on his computer all day and night as he produces hip hop.

 

His rent covers bills as well.  We have a module in the fuse board that just monitors the usage from the flat.  In the past it was so little and so much hassle we just used to charge a fee and include it in the rent.  

 

Now the prices are up, maybe it is time to start monitoring again.

[Rich Rule]

45 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Looks like one favn to me. 

 

edit, maybe half a favn.  

It was a tightly packed pallet load.  Hardly any air space it just collapsed when we removed the pallet.  
 

IIrC a loosely stacked pallet was about 1500 and tightly packed 2000 NOk.

 

Better than some of the mixed loads we got a couple of years ago which was about 70% Goat willow.  The rest was a mix of pine, birch and aspen.  That was 1500nok two years ago.

 

What’s a Favn?  I am not familiar with that term.

[trigger_andy]

8 minutes ago, Rich Rule said:

It was a tightly packed pallet load.  Hardly any air space it just collapsed when we removed the pallet.  
 

IIrC a loosely stacked pallet was about 1500 and tightly packed 2000 NOk.

 

Better than some of the mixed loads we got a couple of years ago which was about 70% Goat willow.  The rest was a mix of pine, birch and aspen.  That was 1500nok two years ago.

 

What’s a Favn?  I am not familiar with that term.

A favn is an old Norwegian measurement used in the firewood industry. Since so many of my collogues have small farms and forests some process and sell firewood on the side. So I often hear the term. 

 

I think its related to the word fathom as its also a word used to measure sea depth (so I hear)  I think a Favn (in he firewood world) is 6 feet x 3 feet x 6 feet. 

[Woodworks]

9 hours ago, Rich Rule said:

 

 

My electricity bill was 300 quid in September and 400 quid in October.  It hasn’t even started to get cold yet.

That is very high. With bills like that you sure your tenant isn't Bitcoin mining? A heat pump in a well insulated building as you describe shouldn't be costing a fortune and lighting is not usually a heavy user unless you still have halogens.