Smart meter for electricity

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

3 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

I will inform the accountant, aka the Wife  

 

We where burning through about £2500-£3000 a year in electricity, not easy when you've a house full of women who are all cold tatties.  

Holy smoke!  £2.5-3k pa???

 

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

 

You need a big stick!

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

What sort of money are folks laying out on leccy?

 

We have. £70/month DD. 

[trigger_andy]

Just now, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Holy smoke!  £2.5-3k pa???

 

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

 

You need a big stick!

All sorted now. Down to about £100 a month since the middle of winter. Our usage hardly changes much over the seasons as all our hotwater is from milling waste in the Kitchen Stove. Showers are mains pressure and no longer electric etc. I went for a 280 litre dual coil cylinder to keep up with bath and shower demands. 😁

 

The new Grant oil boiler sips oil compared to the old Rayburn but virtually never on as the Stoves provide the heat we need. 
 

With 6 chimneys in the house more will be getting Stoves installed if anyone complains about the cold again. 

[openspaceman]

4 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Holy smoke!  £2.5-3k pa???

 

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

 

You need a big stick!

I'm in one of the warmer sunnier parts of the country in a poorly insulated 2.5 ish bedroom semi and pay 250 quid for electricity and 400 for gas including standing charges plus burn about 4 solid m3 of wood.

 

With the battery added to the solar my electricity bill would have been reduced by £100 but I have just been moved to a far less favourable tariff so I guess electricity prices are moving up.

 

That's also why I'm considering the battery and an agile tariff.

[Richard 1234]

17 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

What sort of money are folks laying out on leccy?

 

We have. £70/month DD. 

Not sure what the split is but for gas/electric it’s £125 a month

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

15 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

I'm in one of the warmer sunnier parts of the country in a poorly insulated 2.5 ish bedroom semi and pay 250 quid for electricity and 400 for gas including standing charges plus burn about 4 solid m3 of wood.

 

With the battery added to the solar my electricity bill would have been reduced by £100 but I have just been moved to a far less favourable tariff so I guess electricity prices are moving up.

 

That's also why I'm considering the battery and an agile tariff.

Is that 250/month  or year for leccy?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

I’m doing £70/month for leccy but drawing down about about £166/month across the year in PV tariff. 
 

Im quite keen to explore battery storage now the tech has advanced a bit. 

[djbobbins]

Well, I guess my question tied them both in. You mentioned the Gensets can cost £1.00 per KWh then mention the end user could go from £4.50 to use the washing machine to 60p. Perhaps it was hyperbole but I was not sure so thought I would ask. 

The diesel gensets bit is definitely true - in fact, earlier this year in the U.K. some generators were getting paid £4,000/MWh e.g. £4/kWh, so any suppliers who had under forecast their customer demand and ended up buying will be exposed to that as their marginal cost:

System Prices spike due to ‘Beast from the East 2’ - Elexon BSC

WWW.ELEXON.CO.UK

I was guesstimating on the costs of running the washing machine in “normal” electricity prices vs peak, but it looks like I was pretty close on the “normal”:

Energy consumption of household appliances

WWW.SHELLENERGY.CO.UK

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Learn how much electricity consumption an average household uses. From the energy used to run a washing machine to how much it costs to boil a kettle.

The actual cost of running a washing machine would depend on how spiky the prices got and how much the suppliers might pass that through to customers. But if marginal system price of £4/kWh was passed to customers, then actually 2.5kWh or so would actually be a tenner to run the washing machine, for a single wash.

In Texas this January (different market and regulation setup, the regulator set the price to $9,000/MWh for about a week. Some US customers do have their price tied to real-time wholesale; it must have been a chastening experience when the bills landed. (Admittedly, the Texas grid went to crap in January so many people were actually without electricity, so might not have bill shock).

[openspaceman]

Just now, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Is that 250/month  or year for leccy?

Yearly, we generate about 3MWh with the vast bulk of that being in May to October. My direct debit for electricity and gas is £53/month.

 

What with the drive to electric cars and loss of revenue from petrol and oil plus the big difference in VAT something has to give to keep the simple serpents and their masters in the comfort to which they are accustomed so it's either road charging or more expensive electricity on fixed tariffs or both.

 

Also the drive to get people to give up gas boilers in favour of insulation and (very expensive) heat pumps means gas will be getting expensive, I'm paying 1/3 more than last year.

[trigger_andy]

1 minute ago, djbobbins said:

 

The diesel gensets bit is definitely true - in fact, earlier this year in the U.K. some generators were getting paid £4,000/MWh e.g. £4/kWh, so any suppliers who had under forecast their customer demand and ended up buying will be exposed to that as their marginal cost:

 

 

 

System Prices spike due to ‘Beast from the East 2’ - Elexon BSC

WWW.ELEXON.CO.UK

 

I was guesstimating on the costs of running the washing machine in “normal” electricity prices vs peak, but it looks like I was pretty close on the “normal”:

 

 

 

 

Energy consumption of household appliances

WWW.SHELLENERGY.CO.UK

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Learn how much electricity consumption an average household uses. From the energy used to run a...

 

The actual cost of running a washing machine would depend on how spiky the prices got and how much the suppliers might pass that through to customers. But if marginal system price of £4/kWh was passed to customers, then actually 2.5kWh or so would actually be a tenner to run the washing machine, for a single wash.

In Texas this January (different market and regulation setup, the regulator set the price to $9,000/MWh for about a week. Some US customers do have their price tied to real-time wholesale; it must have been a chastening experience when the bills landed. (Admittedly, the Texas grid went to crap in January so many people were actually without electricity, so might not have bill shock).

 

 

Very interesting, thanks. 
 

Our washing machine is on for what feels like 24/7. Towels used once etc  Clothes thrown in the wash pile with a small stain by teenagers who don’t pay the bill. 
 

Guess I’ll need to look into this when I get home. 😁