Dithering over which little old tractor

[Mr. Ed]

Oh and we bought this, the mill, a lathe and all the apparatus (herself is now a mad keen turner as well as potter) and some other woodland toys by selling a family heirloom - a painting by her ggrandfather who was one of the first generation to paint the Australian outdoors as it is, and not as a version of the Home Counties. Fred McCubbin was his name so the tractor is Fred. Fred the Ford. 
It’s slightly against nature - to sell a lasting cultural good (these things don’t wear out) to buy machinery, but he specialised in woodland scenes and would very much have approved of our mission here (that overstates the case, but forgive me). 
And she has another one of them ...

[ESS]

11 hours ago, Mr. Ed said:

 

 

And yes I think the Massey does have that second clutch thingy. 
 

Wasn't the second stage of pto land drive ?  I seem to think even the 35s at some stage had it on .

[arboriculturist]

A 35X has as you know land and engine drive. It also has the 2 stage clutch - 1st for PTO and then wheels engage.

Edited February 2, 2021 by arboriculturist

[Billhook]

2 hours ago, Mr. Ed said:

I think those after market kits use the loader mounting bracket slots so might be difficult to use together. Also I’m such a muppet with machines I’d need to pay someone to install it.
I’ll probably break my thumbs first, put my back out, demolish a couple of small walls, and then get it done later! 
In the meantime I’m getting a transport box today and will try loading it up with boulders to see how it helps. 
Any ideas on how best to pick up big sticks of wood with the loader? Slings and chains? Big tongs? The bucket spikes are clearly not going to be strong enough for much above brash. 

I found these German made Wiltec tongs are excellent as generally you can pick up a big log without leaving the cab 

Here I am lifting a log which weighs 1.5 tons verified by my scales.  But this is with an eight ton Matbro which can lift nearly three tons so do not try this with yours!

I think the tongs were about £150

[Khriss]

Less seee sawing with those as its 4 points in the log, compared to the traditional ones. But a couple of slings will do fr occasional lifting if yr short of cash. K

[spuddog0507]

3 hours ago, Billhook said:

I also spent much of my working days on  Ford 4600 which we bought new in 1978.  It had power steering which was perfect and a nice tractor for lighter precise work like drilling sugar beet as well as being man enough to help pull a five ton trailer in bad conditions when we were harvesting.

As Khriss says to save your twisted wrist or bruised fingers it may be worth spending £325 on a kit

New Power Steering Kit for Ford / New Holland Tractor 4000 4600

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Mounting Instruction inside. KIT CONTAINS: Mounting Flange, Power Steering Cylinder, Long Rod, Hydraulic Pump, Oil Tank, Pressure Tube, Inlet Hose, Emptying Tube, 2 Tie Rod Ends...

 

The 4600 on the farm where i went was on a S plate as well and we used to nearly get to fighting over it as it was fitted with a radio and the other 2 wernt, the radio helped in the spring when we was arrowing and rolling as it seemed a very boring job going up n down round n round all day, the 4000 was a good robust tractor but what else would you expect with its background being the fordson major, the 4000 always started no matter how cold it was ok some times it took a bit of winding but it allways started, the 5000 was a power house in its day with being 4WD and fitted with a 6 pot engine and being about 95-100 hp it made very light work of pulling a trailer with 4 or 5 tonne of grass in it, best thing about the 5000 (bearing in mind i was 17 ish at the time) was the exhaust pipe which was just a piece of 2" scafolding pipe and you could hear howling when it was opened up from about a mile away, fantastic sound, Reg of the 4600 was PHG 409S i think ? dont know where any of these tractors went when they sold up but the 5000 i would very much love to own that one,,

[Billhook]

14 minutes ago, Khriss said:

Less seee sawing with those as its 4 points in the log, compared to the traditional ones. But a couple of slings will do fr occasional lifting if yr short of cash. K

It also pivots 360 degrees which is useful when trying to position on bearers for milling 

[Billhook]

https://www.wiltec.de/professional-forestry-tongs-for-tree-trunks-up-to-720mm-pulling-force-1500kg.html
Seems to have gone up a bit in price since I bought mine

 

Thought of a name for the Tractor,

 

” Forky “.     
 

It has a muck fork on the loader

It is the 4000 model or. 4K in shorthand 

It should be worth well over 4K when you fit the power steering!

[Billhook]

Another one using the Wiltecon a front loader

 

 

[Mr. Ed]

6 hours ago, Billhook said:

https://www.wiltec.de/professional-forestry-tongs-for-tree-trunks-up-to-720mm-pulling-force-1500kg.html
Seems to have gone up a bit in price since I bought mine

 

Thought of a name for the Tractor,

 

” Forky “.     
 

It has a muck fork on the loader

It is the 4000 model or. 4K in shorthand 

It should be worth well over 4K when you fit the power steering!

And we paid 4,000 for it . . . (Euros, mind)