Covid-19

[Johnsond]

6 minutes ago, sime42 said:

ReformUK | The Brexit Party

WWW.THEBREXITPARTY.ORG

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It's time: From Brexit to Reform UK

 

So I've just been hearing about Nigel Farage's latest vehicle;- the ReformUK Party. Guess what its main policy is?
Says it all really.

 

Says what ?? 

Edited February 12, 2021 by Johnsond

[sime42]

Every death is a huge loss for family, friends and loved ones. But we must put Covid into perspective. Around 1,600 people die every single day in the UK, for some reason or another. In recent weeks, Covid has barely featured in the top ten causes of death.  The average age of a coronavirus fatality is 82: that is older than average life expectancy. The reality is that this horrible condition is only very dangerous for a tiny minority of people. Anyone catching Covid has more than a 99.5% chance of surviving it, most with no symptoms at all.
 
 
Only a fool could read this and see something wrong with this statement. 

Long Covid? Maybe not fatal as such but certainly very debilitating and life changing.

[Johnsond]

2 minutes ago, sime42 said:

10 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Every death is a huge loss for family, friends and loved ones. But we must put Covid into perspective. Around 1,600 people die every single day in the UK, for some reason or another. In recent weeks, Covid has barely featured in the top ten causes of death.  The average age of a coronavirus fatality is 82: that is older than average life expectancy. The reality is that this horrible condition is only very dangerous for a tiny minority of people. Anyone catching Covid has more than a 99.5% chance of surviving it, most with no symptoms at all.
 
 
Only a fool could read this and see something wrong with this statement. 

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Long Covid? Maybe not fatal as such but certainly very debilitating and life changing.

Not as debilitating and fatal as the lockdown will prove to be for many people with failed businesses, mental health issues and missed diagnosis of many other diseases. 
At least have the integrity to admit the statistics that Andy is quoting are correct. 

[sime42]

Norway also seems to be a lot more open regarding the side effects of the Vaccines. 
 

Meldte mistenkte bivirkninger av koronavaksiner - Legemiddelverket

LEGEMIDDELVERKET.NO

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Legemiddelverket publiserer ukentlige rapporter med oversikt over meldinger om mistenkte bivirkninger etter vaksinasjon i...  

He talks about side effects here, and has done in previous reports. Vast majority of people have non, or only very minor, and most of them disappear after two days. Doesn't sound that scary to me.

[sime42]

Every death is a huge loss for family, friends and loved ones. But we must put Covid into perspective. Around 1,600 people die every single day in the UK, for some reason or another. In recent weeks, Covid has barely featured in the top ten causes of death.  The average age of a coronavirus fatality is 82: that is older than average life expectancy. The reality is that this horrible condition is only very dangerous for a tiny minority of people. Anyone catching Covid has more than a 99.5% chance of surviving it, most with no symptoms at all.
 
 
Only a fool could read this and see something wrong with this statement. 

Alternatively, only a fool would trust anything that man says.

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Johnsond said:

Not as debilitating and fatal as the lockdown will prove to be for many people with failed businesses, mental health issues and missed diagnosis of many other diseases. 
At least have the integrity to admit the statistics that Andy is quoting are correct. 

The amount of missed Cancer screenings will be a huge scandal in years to come, most likely sooner. Thats just one aspect. When you tot up all the other missed surgery's etc its putting a massive amount of peoples lives at risk or in continual agony. We're severely buggering up our children's education and the building blocks they need to form normal social interactions by being in continual isolation. Its criminal whats going on.

 

Long Covid seems to affect a very small percentage of those who catch the virus. Yet catching Cancer to late will simply kill you. Certain death v something that may or may not be a thing and may or may not have any long term effects. 

 

These apologist t*ats will always, always have a reason why they they feel we should be kept in this every more draconian lock-down. 

[sime42]

He talks about side effects here, and has done in previous reports. Vast majority of people have non, or only very minor, and most of them disappear after two days. Doesn't sound that scary to me.

Tim Spector, the guy behind the Covid Symptom Study App. An epidemiologist. Not a Tree Surgeon, Landscaper, Miller, Forester, Oil Rig Worker, Gardener, Stump Grinder etc etc.

COVID Symptom Tracker - Help slow the spread of COVID-19

COVID.JOINZOE.COM

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COVID Symptom Tracker - Help slow the spread of COVID-19

[sime42]

The amount of missed Cancer screenings will be a huge scandal in years to come, most likely sooner. Thats just one aspect. When you tot up all the other missed surgery's etc its putting a massive amount of peoples lives at risk or in continual agony. We're severely buggering up our children's education and the building blocks they need to form normal social interactions by being in continual isolation. Its criminal whats going on.
 
Long Covid seems to affect a very small percentage of those who catch the virus. Yet catching Cancer to late will simply kill you. Certain death v something that may or may not be a thing and may or may not have any long term effects. 
 
These apologist t*ats will always, always have a reason why they they feel we should be kept in this every more draconian lock-down. 

Cancer is not contagious you know. Unlike Covid-19.

I've never understood this logic behind the missed screenings, treatments and other collateral damaged caused by the cancellation of elective surgeries. Of course it is happening, no one is disputing that. Another tragic consequence of a pandemic.

How is that attributable to Lockdown?

From everything I hear, in the media, (main stream), and directly from health care professional friends of mine, the NHS is being overwhelmed with Covid-19 patients. This obviously means that they simply do not have the resources, (facilities or people), to carry out all the normal screenings, treatments and elective surgeries. To my mind the only way to resolve this is to reduce CV-19 numbers of patients being admitted. Hence Lockdowns, masks etc.

Is my logic flawed here? How else do we reduce this massive drain on NHS resources other than by reducing transmission of the virus?

[Johnsond]

46 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Cancer is not contagious you know. Unlike Covid-19.

I've never understood this logic behind the missed screenings, treatments and other collateral damaged caused by the cancellation of elective surgeries. Of course it is happening, no one is disputing that. Another tragic consequence of a pandemic.

How is that attributable to Lockdown?

From everything I hear, in the media, (main stream), and directly from health care professional friends of mine, the NHS is being overwhelmed with Covid-19 patients. This obviously means that they simply do not have the resources, (facilities or people), to carry out all the normal screenings, treatments and elective surgeries. To my mind the only way to resolve this is to reduce CV-19 numbers of patients being admitted. Hence Lockdowns, masks etc.

Is my logic flawed here? How else do we reduce this massive drain on NHS resources other than by reducing transmission of the virus?

Regarding the stats Andy put up earlier ??. Do you acknowledge those as correct. 

[sime42]

The amount of missed Cancer screenings will be a huge scandal in years to come, most likely sooner. Thats just one aspect. When you tot up all the other missed surgery's etc its putting a massive amount of peoples lives at risk or in continual agony. We're severely buggering up our children's education and the building blocks they need to form normal social interactions by being in continual isolation. Its criminal whats going on.
 
Long Covid seems to affect a very small percentage of those who catch the virus. Yet catching Cancer to late will simply kill you. Certain death v something that may or may not be a thing and may or may not have any long term effects. 
 
These apologist t*ats will always, always have a reason why they they feel we should be kept in this every more draconian lock-down. 

 apologist

/əˈpɒlədʒɪst/

noun

a person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial.

'critics said he was an apologist for colonialism' >>>>>>>>

I'm sure you could and probably will argue it the other way but to me Herd Immunity and minimal if any transmission limitation measures are actually the controversial stance in this pandemic. Just look at other countries around the world.