Let's see your twin rope system..

[Marc]

3 hours ago, Bing! said:

I see what you're saying.

Its 2 ropes but 1 system, well,  its 1 attachment point at the bridge.

Ahh, the vagaries of a poorly thought out knee jerk regulation, devised by those that are not versed with the industry they are tasked to "guide"..?.....

I would say they are well versed with the industry they are tasked to guide. 
They just have to implement it...

[maybelateron]

37 minutes ago, Tommy_B said:

If one anchor failed though,specifically the one on the right, would the zig zag on the left be loaded correctly?

Looks to me like it would still be loaded/set correctly, albeit with links in a chain so to speak between it and the bridge.

[Bing!]

I wonder if the 2019 chicane ZZ swivel would be incorrectly loaded. The old style zz would be loaded ok but the swivel at the bridge may be maxed out to one side in the event of the TIP failing/that rope being cut...

Edited December 24, 2019 by Bing!

[Mr. Squirrel]

2 hours ago, Tommy_B said:

If one anchor failed though,specifically the one on the right, would the zig zag on the left be loaded correctly?

I guess there's possibly and argument that the top attachment point on the zig zag, in normal use, is only subjected to a 1/2 person load. If the right hand anchor were to fail it would be taking a full person load. Is it designed with this in mind? 

 

I'd be more immediately concerned about the ergonomics of the system though. Those two zig zags are locked in to a specific orientation so you're rarely going to get a decent angle where the rope exits them. Especially the right hand one. 

[Mr. Squirrel]

2 hours ago, Marc said:

I would say they are well versed with the industry they are tasked to guide. 
They just have to implement it...

Based on the nonsense they're enforcing I'd disagree...

[Marc]

3 hours ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

Based on the nonsense they're enforcing I'd disagree...

They don’t have any choice though do they... Literally having their arms twisted by HSE and the general low standards in the industry have lead to this.

As with a lot of H&S rather than increase standards just add more protection...

[Mr. Squirrel]

4 minutes ago, Marc said:

They don’t have any choice though do they... Literally having their arms twisted by HSE and the general low standards in the industry have lead to this.

As with a lot of H&S rather than increase standards just add more protection...

I was referring to the HSE. The AA are obviously fairly well versed, however I would say are poorly organised with little vested interest in promoting quality and professionalism among arboriculture contractors. 

[Treetom15]

Does it seem daft to anyone else that we have to run 2 separate climbing lines from the same bridge? My treemotion harness (like many others) has a 10mm rope bridge, so surely it’s fairly irrelevant how many rope systems you have if the point they are attached to is the same?! Obviously you get round this with the TM evo but not everyone uses them.  

[Pete Mctree]

I think in the immediate we need to concentrate on fighting this. Reply to the consultation on the ACoP, tell the AA that it is not workable or positive in the reduction of accidents. If as an industry we reject it then they would have to go back to the HSE with that fact. If it is re - written with 2 rope working, we should be able to review again & reject if necessary. This should happen until an acceptable document is presented. This however requires a unity in our actions, we ALL need to do this to stand a chance of success.

 

when all fails, then we work out how to make it happen ☹️

[Jake Andrews]

Does it seem daft to anyone else that we have to run 2 separate climbing lines from the same bridge? My treemotion harness (like many others) has a 10mm rope bridge, so surely it’s fairly irrelevant how many rope systems you have if the point they are attached to is the same?! Obviously you get round this with the TM evo but not everyone uses them.  

The problem is it does not specifically say that you CAN NOT run two systems from one bridge that I have seen. It gives no guidance at all how to manage two systems on your harness.

IMO 2 systems on one bridge are NOT independently anchored. But where does it say that in the draft ICOP?‍♂️