Crazy...

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

I get the impression the evidence wasn't good enough to prosecute or identify the whole mob involved. If the prosecution took 2 years were the 3 on remand all that time?

Probably, for such a serious conspiracy. Evidence isn't really needed in crown court, deals are done before anyone is in the dock, so I'm told.

[openspaceman]

1 minute ago, eggsarascal said:

Probably,

So two of them will potentially be out very soon?

[eggsarascal]

1 minute ago, openspaceman said:

So two of them will potentially be out very soon?

Yep, if they've been on remand, which I presume they will have been due to the seriousness of the offence they will walk soon.

[Mesterh]

10 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Society would have been better served if the whole mob had been cut in half with a chainsaw. 
 

That’d be a good start. 

I agree there.

Remove these scum from society quickly and don't look back.

 

[Mesterh]

51 minutes ago, Big J said:

Whilst I understand the sentiment involved, retributive justice is counter productive. It comes down to whether you wish to punish crime that has occurred or seek to prevent it from happening in the first place. It would however be over simplistic to say that in all cases that incarceration with the intent of restoring the criminal to a useful and harmless member of society is the best course. Some people are beyond redemption. 

 

Even if it goes contrary to human nature, you have to look at the two extremes of the two opposing justice systems. On the one hand, you have the USA (with it's Draconian sentences) and it's sky high (particularly violent) crime rate. On the other, you have Scandinavia, with it's rehabilitative approach and low rates of recidivism. 

 

I cannot personally speculate as to the specifics of this case as the community in which it occurred is quite different from where I live. However, I would say that in the long term, community efforts to reduce criminal and racial tensions would be money better spent than increased prison sentences. I don't think that the prison terms act as much of a deterrent.

 

In this case, special mention has to go to the extremely brave actions of the young tree surgeon, and I wish him all the best in his recovery.

Why can't we punish crime and try to prevent it at the same time? You can't look at the USA system and neither can you look at the swedish system and compare it to us. We have different cultures from the outset.

 

I'm of the thinking that we only have one life and if someone tries to end it or destroy it in some way then fck them and rub them out before they can do more damage.

 

Why should someone have a second chance to improve their life when they have destroyed another?

 

Can anyone provide a good case to argue with that?

 

 

[Gary Prentice]

8 hours ago, Big J said:

However, I would say that in the long term, community efforts to reduce criminal and racial tensions would be money better spent than increased prison sentences.

Knowing the area that'll be an uphill struggle.

Rochdale and Oldham feel to be really edgy at the moment. It's odd that many of the older generation just want to live in peace but a lot of the younger ones don't. 

 

For many years now the police have taken an overly softly softly approach for fear of either allegations of racism or creating an increase in tension. It's back-fired terribly and now many think the law doesn't apply to them and they'll get away with just about anything. In the situation it doesn't need much of a spark to ignite trouble.

[difflock]

Hang a few, and send the rest back to wherever their families emigrated from.

No need for harsh prison sentences.

[Gary Prentice]

10 minutes ago, Big J said:

I'm not a fan of Greater Manchester at all. 

I know where you're coming from. Recently I'm getting to meet a lot of folk of all ages, nationalities and faiths, thankfully most of those I meet are the nicest that you could interact with. 

I still have some belief that most people are basically good.

[Gary Prentice]

4 minutes ago, difflock said:

Hang a few, and send the rest back to wherever their families emigrated from.

No need for harsh prison sentences.

But who do you ultimately blame? The culprits or the system that has pretty much said that they're above the law? I'm all for equality but there's something wrong when for fear of being seen as racist the playing field becomes distinctly sloping 

[openspaceman]

11 minutes ago, Gary Prentice said:

I still have some belief that most people are basically good.

Only some and how do you define basically good?

 

Looking from the outside it seems there has been little attempt to assimilate "britishness" and the youths involved see themselves as colonising a territory and needing to displace the natives to do so, cowboys and indians.