what's up with swearing?

[Vespasian]

25 minutes ago, TIMON said:

Those two are the Atheist ‘Archbishops’ very prolific and very evangelical, pretty caustic as well, or lacking in grace, you could say.

I'm sure he is caustic on occasion..  but, how do you explain this..  

Woman comes out of Caanan asks for help for her daughter..  what does jesus say...  he ain't there to help dogs..    very nice and graceful I'm sure..  

[TIMON]

I'm sure he is caustic on occasion..  but, how do you explain this..  
Woman comes out of Caanan asks for help for her daughter..  what does jesus say...  he ain't there to help dogs..    very nice and graceful I'm sure..  

No, and this is where your ignorance gets exposed (again)....he says it isn’t lawful to take from the children and throw it to the dogs’, a reference to Jews and Gentiles. Then the woman says ‘but even the dogs get the crumbs from the table’ and so he heals the woman’s little girl.

Sounds incredible......

But then so is the improbability of proteins forming and bonding together in sequence all on their own....

[TIMON]

Dawkins has spent the last 30 years trying to introduce reason and rationality to the unreasonable and irrational. 
 
It's a monumental and largely thankless task. Very important too.
 
I'm not at all surprised he gets a little warm under the collar.

Why does he even bother.... John Lennox wiped the floor with him , so to speak..
And he did it very politely and graciously. (Says he trying to to stay ‘on topic’)

[the village idiot]

28 minutes ago, TIMON said:

 

 

Why does he even bother.... John Lennox wiped the floor with him , so to speak..
And he did it very politely and graciously. (Says he trying to to stay ‘on topic’)

 

 

Might be best for thread integrity if we take this one outside.

 

I'll just get us started.

 

You lookin' at my bird?

[TIMON]

Might be best for thread integrity if we take this one outside.
 
I'll just get us started.
 
You lookin' at my bird?

No, but mine’s weighing you up...

[Arboricultured]

I find it interesting that there are individuals here who are espousing the notion that it’s only religions that “indoctrinate”?

 

Honestly answer me this.

 

What is our education system for?

Where was the model formed?

Who formed it?

Is there an agenda?

 

Are you really so naive to assume that what you have been told is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

 

And finally.

 

Have you even, hand on heart, properly searched out and seen if it all adds up?

 

Wouldn’t it be clever to hide it so well that people didn’t think it was there?!

 

Oh wait.......

 

[Stubby]

7 minutes ago, Arboricultured said:

I find it interesting that there are individuals here who are espousing the notion that it’s only religions that “indoctrinate”?

 

Honestly answer me this.

 

What is our education system for?

Where was the model formed?

Who formed it?

Is there an agenda?

 

Are you really so naive to assume that what you have been told is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

 

And finally.

 

Have you even, hand on heart, properly searched out and seen if it all adds up?

 

Wouldn’t it be clever to hide it so well that people didn’t think it was there?!

 

Oh wait.......

 

Mark2 , is that you ?

[the village idiot]

8 minutes ago, Arboricultured said:

I find it interesting that there are individuals here who are espousing the notion that it’s only religions that “indoctrinate”?

 

Honestly answer me this.

 

What is our education system for?

Where was the model formed?

Who formed it?

Is there an agenda?

 

Are you really so naive to assume that what you have been told is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

 

And finally.

 

Have you even, hand on heart, properly searched out and seen if it all adds up?

 

Wouldn’t it be clever to hide it so well that people didn’t think it was there?!

 

Oh wait.......

 

Bit too cryptic for my little brain.

 

Can you be a bit more specific.

[Arboricultured]

Sorry for the lack of clarity. What I was getting at is that we are all indoctrinated.

Have been from the word go.

The questions stand though and I would recommend looking for the answers.

[DanBous]

@Vespasian
These are not my own words but have a read of this...

let’s be clear what this woman was requesting. She was asking that the Lord and His disciples accompany her to her home in pagan Tyre or Sidon to heal her daughter. That would involve not simply a quick quiet trip in and out of her city, but a full-scale mission to the Gentile population of the area. Jesus of Nazareth was not able to make quick quiet trips anywhere, for wherever He went a great crowd followed Him. Acceding to the woman’s request would mean days ministering to all the sick, demon-possessed, and afflicted of Tyre and Sidon. And this was not the time for such a mission to the Gentiles. As the Lord said, He was then sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 15:24), and even the Twelve were told to conduct their mission only in Jewish towns, avoiding cities of the Gentiles and the Samaritans (Matthew 10:5-6). The time for a full-scale outreach to the Samaritans and Gentiles would come later. That is why our Lord refused her request. To deny the Twelve their desperately needed rest to minister to the Gentiles of Tyre and Sidon would be as inappropriate as taking the food from the table at which hungry children were sitting and giving it instead to the little dogs under the table. Surely anyone could see that the children must be fed first. The needs of the Twelve for rest must take priority over the needs of the Gentiles in those cities.

Then the Canaanite woman makes her response—and changes her request. Okay: Jesus will not accompany her to her place of residence. Let the children be fed. But little dogs can still eat the odd crumb that falls from the table while the children eat. Let the Lord say the word and heal the woman’s daughter at a distance, while He and the Twelve stayed here resting!

It was a bold request, and one that showed tremendous faith on her part. Many people had faith that Jesus could come and heal; this woman had faith He that could heal at a great distance, His simple word of command working a miracle across the miles. That is why Jesus did not say, “O woman, great is your boldness” or “O woman, great is your perseverance”, but rather, “O woman, great is your faith” (Matthew 15:28). And because of this faith, Christ granted her second request, healing her daughter instantly across the miles—“she went home, and found the child lying in bed, and the demon gone (Mark 7:30).

We see in this passage that Jesus does not in fact call the Gentile woman “a dog” or even “a little dog.” Rather, He compares the situation of conflicting needs to the situation of hungry children sitting at a food-laden table with hungry little dogs underneath, and says that the children at the table must be fed first—to explain why He cannot accompany her to her home. His willingness to grant her second and amended request shows His great love for her, and for all the children of men. That love even bridged the gap between Jew and Gentile, giving to the Canaanite woman in advance what would later come to all the Gentiles of the world.