Clients that make you go hmmmmm.

[Mark Bolam]

You’ve only got yourself to blame Stu.

Due diligence at pricing stage?

 

You’ve ignored the basics covered on a very recent thread.

[Ty Korrigan]

  On 24/04/2022 at 18:24, Mick Dempsey said:

More fool you for not establishing a price before driving 90 minutes.

Expand  

How?

What fool quotes for 10 days work from a few images?

 

[Ty Korrigan]

  On 24/04/2022 at 18:34, Mark Bolam said:

You’ve only got yourself to blame Stu.

Due diligence at pricing stage?

 

You’ve ignored the basics covered on a very recent thread.

Expand  

What thread is that?

 

 

[Mick Dempsey]

  On 24/04/2022 at 18:37, Ty Korrigan said:

What thread is that?

 

 

Expand  

The underpricing thread.

 

  On 24/04/2022 at 18:35, Ty Korrigan said:

How?

What fool quotes for 10 days work from a few images?

 

Expand  

You say to them

‘I charge €xxxxx per day for my team, is that out of your range or are we there or thereabouts?’

[Ty Korrigan]

  On 24/04/2022 at 18:43, Mick Dempsey said:

The underpricing thread.

 

You say to them

‘I charge €xxxxx per day for my team, is that out of your range or are we there or thereabouts?’

Expand  

I'velong found that Brits here focus only on day rate not what you bring to the job or can achieve.

This is confirmed by reading any ex-pat FB group on life in France.

They will then look for the lowest day rate and as I'm far more than the 'day rate' of several other Brits working here I'd likely be laughed at for quoting telephone figures, something a British mill owner actually did respond.

A face to face meeting is far more likely to secure the work and avoid any under pricing issues.

To be fair, I have successfully quoted for single or lone trees by images alone but a quote of the size I was faced with requires more than a telephone figure banded over the telephone.

I have not seriously underpriced a single job in long time now, preffering to price high and lose than fill my agenda with conifer flavoured headaches.

 

[Mark Bolam]

I totally agree that a job like that needs visiting before committing a price mate, but a bit more info would have saved you the trip.

[Joe Newton]

It's one of those funny things. You can't blame anyone else for it, it's up to you.

 

If you want to go visit then you've got to accept losing a day to quote. If you're not bothered about getting it then give the bloke a day rate and perhaps an estimate of days based on the info provided.

 

I don't understand why you would feel hard done by.

[Ty Korrigan]

  On 24/04/2022 at 21:06, Joe Newton said:

It's one of those funny things. You can't blame anyone else for it, it's up to you.

 

If you want to go visit then you've got to accept losing a day to quote. If you're not bothered about getting it then give the bloke a day rate and perhaps an estimate of days based on the info provided.

 

I don't understand why you would feel hard done by.

Expand  

Jeepers, you people are making more if it than I.

I went there not expecting to win it as the client is British.

Throwing out your day rate without a solid indication of what can be achieved is both lazy and bizzare.

If that tactic actually worked then none of us would need to leave the house to quote at all.

       

 

[Hodge]

  On 25/04/2022 at 06:07, Ty Korrigan said:

Jeepers, you people are making more if it than I.
I went there not expecting to win it as the client is British.
Throwing out your day rate without a solid indication of what can be achieved is both lazy and bizzare.
If that tactic actually worked then none of us would need to leave the house to quote at all.
       
 

But are you not complaining because you didn't get the job? Yet you went not expecting to get it?? Why go at all.....[emoji848][emoji848]

[Ty Korrigan]

  On 25/04/2022 at 06:17, Hodge said:

But are you not complaining because you didn't get the job? Yet you went not expecting to get it?? Why go at all.....

Expand  

If you bothered to read my post, it is because although I don't win many British clients, the ones I do are generally larger jobs making it worthwhile pursuing.

My point, seemingly lost for my usual band of critics, is that the client is equating tree work rates from 15 years ago to todays, for pines which have grown significantly since.