A public "good" must be paid for from the public purse

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

I often wondered why any expense of looking after TPOed trees isn't paid out of the public purse. Perhaps they could then go futher and start insisting anyone with space has to plant trees.

 

Valiant effort to bring us back on track Paul!! :thumb up: :thumb up:

[Duncansimpson]

We can never compete with Argentinan or New Zealand meat because land prices are around a tenth of what it is here.

60% of farmers voted brexit, mainly the dairy and rich grain

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

We can never compete with Argentinan or New Zealand meat because land prices are around a tenth of what it is here.

60% of farmers voted brexit, mainly the dairy and rich grain

 

Please......

 

Please......

 

Please.....

 

Read the link on page 1:

 

https://iea.org.uk/publications/research/liberating-farming-from-the-cap

 

Land prices are so high BECAUSE of subsidy!

 

NZ is a perfect example of how it COULD / SHOULD be done AFTER subsidy!

[Mull]

Try telling that to the poor chicken. Everyday is 3% of your life and you never see the light of day. Sorry but it's just not right.

 

 

The chicken knows no better! Anything else is nonsense.

They are a crop.

 

 

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[gdh]

Please......

 

Please......

 

Please.....

 

Read the link on page 1:

 

https://iea.org.uk/publications/research/liberating-farming-from-the-cap

 

Land prices are so high BECAUSE of subsidy!

 

NZ is a perfect example of how it COULD / SHOULD be done AFTER subsidy!

 

I don't think new Zealand is the best example when it's bigger than the UK with less than 10% of the population.

[Vespasian]

It might be OK for New Zealand to do its own thing, but it wouldn't work in Europe or America...

 

Without some form of subsidies, food price inflation and agricultural ruin would be upon us every few years...

What we're paying for is price stability...

 

A school of thought I've come across is China and India are growing economies, leading to an ever increasing demand for our agricultural products, and if we dispensed with subsidies, their buying power would hoover up any excess production and thus we don't need subsidies to stabilize prices like we used to...

 

The problem would be when China's consumption stabilized and production still increased.. back to square one with a need to subsidize agriculture...

 

As much as I can't stand the idea of paying farmers for doin nothin, its better than the alternative, of thousands of farmers going bankrupt every few years...

 

Its a matter of taking your pick and picking your poison..

[Mull]

We pay plenty to do nothing! Politicians spring to mind, the House of Lords, but feck it, let's hang farmers!!

 

 

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[kevinjohnsonmbe]

I don't think new Zealand is the best example when it's bigger than the UK with less than 10% of the population.

 

 

Maybe / maybe yes...

 

Not a directly comparable socio / geographical comparison. But I'm not sure that's the point.

 

The agricultural business model is what might be exampled - improved efficiency, output, supply chain and VfM.

 

Question:

 

How can an unsubsidised industry export 1/2 way around the world and deliver quality matched product which out performs local, subsidised product?

 

It's almost embarrassing! Surely?

[IRE David H]

I have an uncle in law that buys acres of mountain, to just get the grants off them, the worse the land is the better it is, my aunt works in the public service so they know how to use the system,

[gdh]

Maybe / maybe yes...

 

Not a directly comparable socio / geographical comparison. But I'm not sure that's the point.

 

The agricultural business model is what might be exampled - improved efficiency, output, supply chain and VfM.

 

Question:

 

How can an unsubsidised industry export 1/2 way around the world and deliver quality matched product which out performs local, subsidised product?

 

It's almost embarrassing! Surely?

 

There's certainly things to be learned from new Zealand and things they can learn from us (and a lot of students do go between our countries) but ultimately we can't compete with year round grass growth and vast open spaces with no hedges or fences where the average flock is 20x the size of a UK one.

 

It's like saying we should easily be able to manufacture cheaper goods than China but in the end no matter what we try the costs don't add up so instead we either have to subsidise like farming, energy, steel etc or compete on something like quality instead.