Trump to a T

[Daniël Bos]

Do you really think abortion clinic attacks in 1981 compare to the terrorist attacks in the last few years?

Is violence against people (doctors, pregnant women) in the name of a made up God any different to violence against people in the name of a different made up God?

[scotspine1]

Then allow me to refresh your memory, or educate you a little:

 

 

Contemporary American Christian terrorism can be motivated by a violent desire to implement a*Reconstructionist*or*Dominionist*ideology.[103]*Dominion Theology insists that Christians are called by God to (re)build society on Christian values to subjugate the earth and establish dominion over all things, as a pre-requisite for the second coming of Christ.[104]*Political violence motivated by dominion theology is a violent extension of the desire to impose a select version of Christianity on other Christians, as well as on non-Christians.

 

After 1981, members of groups such as the*Army of God*began attacking*abortion clinics*and*doctors*across the United States.[105][106][107]*A number of terrorist attacks were attributed by*Bruce Hoffman*to individuals and groups with ties to the*Christian Identity*and*Christian Patriot*movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[108]*A group called*Concerned Christians*was deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in*Jerusalem*at the end of 1999; they believed that their deaths would "lead them to heaven".[109][110]

 

Eric Robert Rudolph*carried out the*Centennial Olympic Park bombing*in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a*lesbian*nightclub.*Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to likely fit the definition of a Christian terrorist. James A. Aho, a professor at Idaho State University, argues that religious considerations inspired Rudolph only in part.[111]

 

Terrorism scholar Aref M. Al-Khattar has listed*The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord*(CSA),*Defensive Action, the*Montana Freemen, and some "Christian militia" as groups that "can be placed under the category of far-right-wing terrorism" that "has a religious (Christian) component".[112]

 

In 1996 three men—Charles Barbee, Robert Berry and Jay Merelle—were charged with two bank robberies and bombings at the banks, a*Spokane*newspaper, and a*Planned Parenthood*office in*Washington State. The men were anti-Semitic*Christian Identity theorists*who believed that God wanted them to carry out violent attacks and that such attacks would hasten the ascendancy of the*Aryan race.[113]

 

In 2011, analyst Daryl Johnson of the*United States Department of Homeland Security*said that the*Hutaree*Christian*militia movement*possessed more weapons than the combined weapons holdings of all Islamic terror defendants charged in the US since the*September 11 attacks.[114]

 

In 2015, Robert Doggart, a 63 year old mechanical engineer, was indicted for solicitation to commit a civil rights violation by intending to damage or destroy religious property after communicating that he intended to amass weapons to attack a Muslim enclave in*Delaware County, New York.[115]*Doggart, a member of several private militia groups, communicated to an FBI source in a phone call that he had an*M4 carbine*with "500 rounds of ammunition" that he intended to take to the Delaware County enclave, along with a handgun,*molotov cocktails*and a machete. The FBI source recorded him saying "if it gets down to the machete, we will cut them to shreds."[116]Doggart had previously travelled to a site in*Dover, Tennessee*described in chain emails as a "jihadist training camp", and found that the claims were wrong. Doggart pleaded guilty in an April*plea bargain*stating he had “willfully and knowingly sent a message in interstate commerce containing a true threat” to injure someone. The plea bargain was struck down by a judge because it did not contain enough facts to constitute a true threat.[117][118]*Doggart stood as an independent candidate in*Tennessee's 4th congressional district, losing with 6.4% of the vote.[119]*None of the charges against him are terrorism related.[120][121][122][123]

 

The November 2015*Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, in which three were killed and nine injured, was described as "a form of terrorism" by Colorado Governor*John Hickenlooper.[124]*The gunman, Robert Lewis Dear, was described as a "delusional" man[125]*who had written on a*cannabisinternet forum*that "sinners" would "burn in hell" during the*end times, and had also written about smoking marijuana and propositioned women for sex.[126][127]*He had praised the*Army of God, saying that attacks on abortion clinics are "God's work."[128]*Deer's ex-wife said he had put glue on a lock of a Planned Parenthood clinic, and in court documents for their divorce she said "He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions. He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end."

 

 

 

You copy/pasted that directly from Wikipedia.

 

Great way to lose credibility.

 

What else do you copy/paste to fit your argument?

[matelot]

Is violence against people (doctors, pregnant women) in the name of a made up God any different to violence against people in the name of a different made up God?

 

Most people here would agree that Islam is responsible for most religious terrorism in the West.

 

For you to argue that it's actually Christianity that is responsible for most terrorism is quite frankly bizarre.

 

You Liberals will really have to get better arguments if you want to stop people voting for right wing parties.

[stihlmadasever]

Most people here would agree that Islam is responsible for most religious terrorism in the West.

 

For you to argue that it's actually Christianity that is responsible for most terrorism is quite frankly bizarre.

 

You Liberals will really have to get better arguments if you want to stop people voting for right wing parties.

 

You seem to blame all the political woes and religous problems on liberals...

Yet you are blinded by the obvious fascist extreme right wing agenda that you peddle has led to world wars in the past.

[Daniël Bos]

Most people here would agree that Islam is responsible for most religious terrorism in the West.

 

For you to argue that it's actually Christianity that is responsible for most terrorism is quite frankly bizarre.

 

You Liberals will really have to get better arguments if you want to stop people voting for right wing parties.

Facts are just that, facts. There's nothing to agree or disagree about facts.

 

We were talking about the USA, where the fact is that vastly greater numbers of people are killed by Christians than Muslims.

 

This fact is in my opinion bizarre enough. Why people of any religious belief would use that as an excuse to hurt others is beyond me. But I don't think singling out one religion or the other and stating the problem is their fault is a solution.

Quite the opposite.

[matelot]

You seem to blame all the political woes and religous problems on liberals...

 

Obviously Liberals aren't to blame for everything wrong in the world.

 

However it's very hard to not have complete contempt for everything the Liberals do and say.

 

For instance:

 

1. Trump gets elected and we get hysterical public protests by Liberals.

 

2. Meryl Streep gives us a speech which criticises Trump. Frankly I don't care what an overpaid celebrity thinks.

 

3. Trump bans some migrants from the USA (as did Obama) Liberals throughout the world go berserk and protest.

 

4. We get 24 hour coverage from the BBC covering the protests.

 

 

If you don't want people like Trump ruling the world you will have to stop all the childish protesting and come up with arguments as to why Liberal policies are better than right wing ones.

[stihlmadasever]

Obviously Liberals aren't to blame for everything wrong in the world.

 

However it's very hard to not have complete contempt for everything the Liberals do and say.

 

For instance:

 

1. Trump gets elected and we get hysterical public protests by Liberals.

 

2. Meryl Streep gives us a speech which criticises Trump. Frankly I don't care what an overpaid celebrity thinks.

 

3. Trump bans some migrants from the USA (as did Obama) Liberals throughout the world go berserk and protest.

 

4. We get 24 hour coverage from the BBC covering the protests.

 

 

If you don't want people like Trump ruling the world you will have to stop all the childish protesting and come up with arguments as to why Liberal policies are better than right wing ones.

 

Your arguement hinges on all of the above being liberals,which just isnt the case.

Many who protested in america are republicans who could not be even vaguely described as liberal.

The BBC -liberal -dont make me laugh..they have there own agenda and will jump on any bandwagon that they deem to be more popular.

Meryl streep,i too couldnt give a toss what any holywood actor thinks.

As for the as you say "migrant ban"..well its not is it,its vetting muslems that hail from certain countries before theyre granted access into the states.

[scotspine1]

Your arguement hinges on all of the above being liberals,which just isnt the case.

Many who protested in america are republicans who could not be even vaguely described as liberal.

The BBC -liberal -dont make me laugh..they have there own agenda and will jump on any bandwagon that they deem to be more popular.

Meryl streep,i too couldnt give a toss what any holywood actor thinks.

As for the as you say "migrant ban"..well its not is it,its vetting muslems that hail from certain countries before theyre granted access into the states.

 

Gaining access to the USA is a privilege granted by the American people, it's not a right.

 

Why haven't you been condemning the banning of Israelis by many Muslim countries?

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/north-america/united-states/articles/most-countries-on-trumps-list-also-ban-visitors-based-on-nationality/amp/?client=safari

 

 

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Edited January 31, 2017 by scotspine1

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

🔥Burn the Liberals! Burn 'em I tells ya before it's too late!!🔥

 

(I don't actually endorse or encourage the burning of Liberals, certainly not unless appropriately exempted by an EA D7, just thought it an opportune moment for some rabble rousing!)

[Gary Prentice]

Who do you propose as an effigy?