Potus ???

[Johnsond]

7 minutes ago, Mark J said:

"The point I want to make is that there are extremes on all sides and they should equally be regarded as the threat they are."

 

But I’ll repeat what I said Mark all evidence and statistics point to the “ extreme right” being a perceived rather than real threat, imo a very convenient establishment bit of propaganda given far to much press. 

[Johnsond]

4 minutes ago, Mark J said:

who Dave approves of

😂the point ??

[GarethM]

2 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Are you suggesting that moderate Muslims, who Dave approves of, don't call out the wrong-ones in their community on purpose? Or could it be that the wrong-ones operate under the radar of normal people? 

FYI: The Catholic and Anglican Church still hide dodgy clergy.

They certainly don't on the TV & radio.

 

The chief Imam of the UK doesn't, if they did I would be a lot less critical as all faith leaders would be visibly critical that it goes against all they stand for.

 

Whilst generally speaking those that have got up to mischief were visiting, it would set an example.

 

 

[Mark J]

12 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

But I’ll repeat what I said Mark all evidence and statistics point to the “ extreme right” being a perceived rather than real threat, imo a very convenient establishment bit of propaganda given far to much press. 

Utter shite.

The brainwashing by bad-actors through social media seems to be working a treat.

You'd have to be incapable of using a search engine to come up with an idea as plain daft as this:
"all evidence and statistics point to the “ extreme right” being a perceived rather than real threat".

Ha ha ha.

Wow.

 

As of December 2024, there were 157 persons in custody for terrorism-related offences attributed to radical Islamist ideologies (61% of all 257 terrorist prisoners)4. For far-right extremism, 78 persons were in custody (30% of the total)4.

Population Estimates and Offence Ratios

1. Muslim Population: Approximately 4 million Muslims live in the UK based on 2021 census data2.

2. Far-Right Supporters: Roughly 300,000 individuals are estimated to hold far-right views, including Reform UK party members and sympathizers3.

Ratio of Offences to Belief Groups

• Radical Islam:
  1574,000,000=0.000039254,000,000157=0.00003925
  This equates to ~3.9 offences per 100,000 Muslims4.

• Far Right:
  78300,000=0.00026300,00078=0.00026
  This equates to ~26 offences per 100,000 far-right supporters4.

Key Context

• The far-right ratio is ~6.6 times higher than the radical Islam ratio when comparing offences per capita.

• These ratios are simplified metrics and do not account for factors like ideological intensity, underreporting, or socioeconomic drivers.

• Government data shows a rising trend in far-right extremism, with a 30% year-on-year increase in far-right prisoners4.

 

Edited April 19 by Mark J

[Steven P]

Noting that terrorism laws and updates make it easier to prosecute if the perpetrator is a 'terrorist' and not just a 'murder'

[GarethM]

11 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Noting that terrorism laws and updates make it easier to prosecute if the perpetrator is a 'terrorist' and not just a 'murder'

They're usually dead, bagged & tagged.

 

My old boss always said make it a legal requirement to be shot with bullets soaked in pork fat or cremated with half a pig.

 

He was a arse but it would send a message that you're not getting her virgin's.

Edited April 19 by GarethM

[Johnsond]

7 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Utter shite.

The brainwashing by bad-actors through social media seems to be working a treat.

You'd have to be incapable of using a search engine to come up with an idea as plain daft as this:
"all evidence and statistics point to the “ extreme right” being a perceived rather than real threat".

Ha ha ha.

Wow.

 

You yourself put up stats that give details of 1 possibly 2 fatalities as opposed to the hundreds by Islamist attackers 🤷‍♂️

It’d not brainwashing Mark it’s just plain and simple statistical comparison. 
Shall we say a 100 to 1 ratio 🤷‍♂️

The airtime “ particularly under Starmer”given to the “ far right “ is totally out of proportion to the actual damage they have ever done. Mark all you have to do in here is mention illegal immigration and the usual anonymous ATL members very quickly get their flaps all knotted up and start throwing the racist far right accusations around. And bang on que talking of piss flaps 

[Johnsond]

20 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Utter shite.

The brainwashing by bad-actors through social media seems to be working a treat.

You'd have to be incapable of using a search engine to come up with an idea as plain daft as this:
"all evidence and statistics point to the “ extreme right” being a perceived rather than real threat".

Ha ha ha.

Wow.

 

As of December 2024, there were 157 persons in custody for terrorism-related offences attributed to radical Islamist ideologies (61% of all 257 terrorist prisoners)4. For far-right extremism, 78 persons were in custody (30% of the total)4.

Population Estimates and Offence Ratios

1. Muslim Population: Approximately 4 million Muslims live in the UK based on 2021 census data2.

2. Far-Right Supporters: Roughly 300,000 individuals are estimated to hold far-right views, including Reform UK party members and sympathizers3.

Ratio of Offences to Belief Groups

• Radical Islam:
  1574,000,000=0.000039254,000,000157=0.00003925
  This equates to ~3.9 offences per 100,000 Muslims4.

• Far Right:
  78300,000=0.00026300,00078=0.00026
  This equates to ~26 offences per 100,000 far-right supporters4.

Key Context

• The far-right ratio is ~6.6 times higher than the radical Islam ratio when comparing offences per capita.

• These ratios are simplified metrics and do not account for factors like ideological intensity, underreporting, or socioeconomic drivers.

• Government data shows a rising trend in far-right extremism, with a 30% year-on-year increase in far-right prisoners4.

 

Define offence 

Murder vs Hate crime 

The fatality numbers don’t lie Mark you can’t argue that away. 

[Mark J]

US Supreme Court halts deportation of Venezuelans under wartime law

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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The accused gang members are being sent to a notorious jail in El Salvador under a 19th-Century law.

 

[Mark J]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

Define offence 

Murder vs Hate crime 

The fatality numbers don’t lie Mark you can’t argue that away. 

 

"Define offence" :

 

An offence in UK law is any act or omission that is prohibited by law and subject to punishment, typically because it is considered harmful to people or society. The law defines a wide range of offences, and the consequences for committing them depend on the nature and seriousness of the act15.

"Murder vs Hate crime ": Most people don't murder someone else because they love them, same thing.

"The fatality numbers don’t lie Mark you can’t argue that away.":  There is no argument. Radicalised people are just that. If you have a larger sample you will always have more outcomes. You have to understand that proportionality plays a part.

At best it suggests that right-wing terrorists get caught more often than their Jihadi brethren.

Two cheeks of the same arse.
 

Edited April 19 by Mark J