Potus ???

[GarethM]

7 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Veterans Affairs Department plans to cut thousands more jobs as part of Trump's cost-cutting efforts

WWW.CBSNEWS.COM

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A memo from the Department of Veterans Affairs' chief of staff said the agency aims to return its workforce to just under 400,000 employees.

 

27% are veterans, compared to the general population where 6% are veterans.

 

Edit: Sack 70,000 workers, that is nearly 19,000 Veterans sacked.

That's not helping your reactionary argument.

 

A workforce of 470k, veterans are 127k of that number.

 

What's to say they are for the chop as I'm guessing they aren't all management and actually do something to help instead of endlessly push paperwork around the office.

 

I'm surprised you're not littering the hate labour thread with the benefit reductions and NHS cost savings. Same arguement but no banging bin lids over that today.

[Steven P]

You're reverting to distractions and irrelevance there Gareth. For the Labour thread, it is not a mission in my life to try to change anyones minds there, I'll leave that for you all to rant... as that thread was set up to be.

 

On topic though,

 

None of us here know who is being sacked, and who works in what position. However a lot of veterans are actually quite intelligent and motivated, there is no reason for them NOT to be in a position of management, rather than your assumption that can't manage and be only suitable for menial front line tasks (the low paid ones). A very arrogant assumption of yours. Pretty sure Johnson,D would prefer to choke on his cornflakes first than give me a reasonable answer, but he is probably the best to ask if military veterans are capable of managing and running departments or companies. I think that they can and I think they will be evenly spaced through that organisation, and so at even risk of being sacked. Near 20,000 of them.

[GarethM]

7 minutes ago, Steven P said:

You're reverting to distractions and irrelevance there Gareth. For the Labour thread, it is not a mission in my life to try to change anyones minds there, I'll leave that for you all to rant... as that thread was set up to be.

 

On topic though,

 

None of us here know who is being sacked, and who works in what position. However a lot of veterans are actually quite intelligent and motivated, there is no reason for them NOT to be in a position of management, rather than your assumption that can't manage and be only suitable for menial front line tasks (the low paid ones). A very arrogant assumption of yours. Pretty sure Johnson,D would prefer to choke on his cornflakes first than give me a reasonable answer, but he is probably the best to ask if military veterans are capable of managing and running departments or companies. I think that they can and I think they will be evenly spaced through that organisation, and so at even risk of being sacked. Near 20,000 of them.

Yet more knee jerk spurious ramblings and the usual jumping to some moral pearl clutching pedestal bs.

 

Did I mention anything about veterans being incapable of managerial or educated, nope.

 

I highlighted paper pushing useless types that just get in the way and slow things down to the point where veterans actually give up trying and one of the reasons for the high suicides amongst veterans.

 

Do the whole moral outrage stichk if you want, yet I wonder if you'll be so quick to refute your judgement if the system actually improves as from what I've seen/read and heard over the years it can't get any worse with people cutting up their VA card in disgust.

[peds]

 

 

 

[GarethM]

15 minutes ago, peds said:

 

Amazon all out of sandwich boards ?

[Steven P]

46 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Yet more knee jerk spurious ramblings and the usual jumping to some moral pearl clutching pedestal bs.

 

Did I mention anything about veterans being incapable of managerial or educated, nope.

 

I highlighted paper pushing useless types that just get in the way and slow things down to the point where veterans actually give up trying and one of the reasons for the high suicides amongst veterans.

 

Do the whole moral outrage stichk if you want, yet I wonder if you'll be so quick to refute your judgement if the system actually improves as from what I've seen/read and heard over the years it can't get any worse with people cutting up their VA card in disgust.

 

The inference was there. Trying to justify these cuts by saying it won't be the veterans who get sacked and only the management "pen pusher" types.. inferring that the "pen pusher" management types are not going to be veterans. Usually the ones "who do something useful" are the visible ones, the ones who answer the phones or sit on the desks face to face, the bottom of the rung, these are the "useful" ones that you are inferring that veterans should be.

 

There is no moral outrage here as you want us to have, but a realism that in an organisation, for veterans, staffed disproportionally by veterans and with 70,000 sacking in the offering this will affect a large number of veterans, throwing the out onto the street. Unlike your inferences I can accept that the organisation will be evenly distributed with veterans, and those being sacked will be proportionally veterans to, near 20,000 of them. 

 

The original comment was the irony that Trump 'bigs them up' in one sentence and then sacks a load of them in the next breath, no outrage, just highlighting his massive double standards. Again.

[GarethM]

Utter and complete codswallop, you seem to always automatically go to scorched earth end is neigh rhetorical nonsense.

 

Trying to infer I have some bias against veterans, nope just those that stymied things from happening as I have said.

 

You're the usual blame the system not the person office culture, i see a problem I fix the problem and I don't care if it upsets people.

 

If you're not finding and highlighting he problems, your the actual problem!.

[Anno]

I get the impression that if Trump bummed these two in the woods they would still defend them on here...

[GarethM]

 

 

[Mark J]

1 hour ago, Anno said:

I get the impression that if Trump bummed these two in the woods they would still defend them on here...

He could bum the corpse of The Queen Mother and some people wouldn't bat an eyelid.