Potus ???

[Steven P]

8 minutes ago, GarethM said:

no doubt Kier will be giving him a reach around and a blank cheque on the bedside table later today.

 

 

Well if that is the case, what is Putin giving Trump:

 

Trump doubts that Russia poses a cyber threat? Really? And he thought that Biden was loosing his marbles. Putin has some serious dirt on Trump (reel back a week or 2 on my thoughts on some of Trumps weaknesses).

 

Trump administration retreats in fight against Russian cyber threats

UK.YAHOO.COM

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Recent incidents indicate US is no longer characterizing Russia as a cybersecurity threat, marking a radical departure: ‘Putin is on the inside now’

 

[GarethM]

7 minutes ago, Steven P said:

He was ready for peace 3 years ago. Biden doesn't have the ear of Putin, Trump apparently does*.

 

Remember Trump saying very early on that he could stop the war in a day? It has been many days. That war is getting nastier with his involvement.

 

*... or vice versa.... Putin certainly has the ear of Trump for 'unknown' reasons, I very much doubt that Putin has any regard for Trump.

So make your mind up, trump good or trump bad as that's a very mixed message.

 

Power respects power and power respects money, they equally fear and respect each other.

 

The Ukrainian would just keep spunking it up the walls forever more, negotiation now on ok terms or in five years and get diddly.

[tree-fancier123]

So at the start Putin said 'anyone who dares to interfere....'

Surely one day there will come a time when someone calls the bluff of a nuclear superpower.

In the post apocalyptic dust scape any peoples left outside of the blast zones will group together in various factions

[GarethM]

2 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

So at the start Putin said 'anyone who dares to interfere....'

Surely one day there will come a time when someone calls the bluff of a nuclear superpower.

In the post apocalyptic dust scape any peoples left outside of the blast zones will group together in various factions

Remind me again what MAD stands for.

And remind me again who has said nuclear weapons.

 

They've been used twice and only twice for that exact reason, biggest stick stays in the box but have as many 7.62 as you can carry.

 

Having the biggest stick makes everyone play using only conventional warfare, Saddam and gas being the only outliers.

 

Professor Falken life lessons didn't teach you anything ?.

 

Granted I hope it's automated as Kier would probably be dithering whilst his call was on hold, you call is important to us 3,2,1.

Edited March 1 by GarethM

[peds]

Really odd that this sh*theel can't afford a suit.

 

[Steven P]

3 hours ago, GarethM said:

So make your mind up, trump good or trump bad as that's a very mixed message.

 

Power respects power and power respects money, they equally fear and respect each other.

 

The Ukrainian would just keep spunking it up the walls forever more, negotiation now on ok terms or in five years and get diddly.

 

A couple of clarifications:

 

Trump: Not good, obviously the words I wrote were confusing. Trump didn't stop the war in 1 day. His involvement particularly with that press conference and cosying up to Putin has condemned many more Ukrainian deaths than if he had done nothing.

 

Putin does not respect Trump.

 

'Spunking it up the wall'... a small country fighting a military superpower and - get this - mostly holding its own - Putin was a bit surprised that they weren't a walk over. All the military power of Russia is being held off by what little The Ukraine can acquire. The amount at their disposal holding off a multi-multi-billion war machine sounds like they are are making every Hyrvnia count.

 

 

 

 

So what to do? Well, Trump can try his 'day one' master plan. That might help. Failing that he can use that great respect (?) that Putin has for him to agree an immediate ceasefire till negotiations can occur, that would stop many many 'horrible deaths'. 

 

 

 

Imagine the MAGA public reaction to see a 'communist' leader sitting in the oval office chatting to the president ('Communist' = 'Russian' in their educated eyes in most cases), sure that will go down well!

[Mike Hill]

10 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

A couple of clarifications:

 

Trump: Not good, obviously the words I wrote were confusing. Trump didn't stop the war in 1 day. His involvement particularly with that press conference and cosying up to Putin has condemned many more Ukrainian deaths than if he had done nothing.

 

Putin does not respect Trump.

 

'Spunking it up the wall'... a small country fighting a military superpower and - get this - mostly holding its own - Putin was a bit surprised that they weren't a walk over. All the military power of Russia is being held off by what little The Ukraine can acquire. The amount at their disposal holding off a multi-multi-billion war machine sounds like they are are making every Hyrvnia count.

 

 

 

 

So what to do? Well, Trump can try his 'day one' master plan. That might help. Failing that he can use that great respect (?) that Putin has for him to agree an immediate ceasefire till negotiations can occur, that would stop many many 'horrible deaths'. 

 

 

 

Imagine the MAGA public reaction to see a 'communist' leader sitting in the oval office chatting to the president ('Communist' = 'Russian' in their educated eyes in most cases), sure that will go down well!

What " little country" are you talking about?

 

Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe after Russia.

[GarethM]

2 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Putin doesn't respect trump.

 

Spunking it up the wall'

 

So what to do? Well, Trump can try his 'day one' master plan. That might help. Failing that he can use that great respect (?) that Putin has for him to agree an immediate ceasefire till negotiations can occur, that would stop many many 'horrible deaths'.

Firstly he does respect him, Putin knows that if they did fire a nuke very unlikely.

 

Donald has the balls to call him and wouldn't hesitate to fire, that's why they respect eachother, a mutual knowledge they would do what's necessary not sit and talk about feelings.

 

Spunking up against the wall, yes whilst the results are many dead people it's hardly much more than a constant stalemate.

 

A historical analogy is WW1 trench warfare, lots of death but not much movement. Wasn't it like 10,000 an inch or something mental for Messine ridge?.

 

So trump in his month ish, has got the balls moving and you're still moaning he said a day.

 

Well uncle Joe/saint Obama and alike had what 8 years+ and achieved the sum of diddly except a few graveyards of wasted lives!.

[Steven P]

2 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

What " little country" are you talking about?

 

Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe after Russia.

 

Russia :Area just over 17,000,000 sq km

Ukraine area just over 600,000 sq km (about 3%)

 

Russia GDP $2,000,000,000,000

Ukraine GDP $ 900,000,000,000 (about half)

 

Russia population 143,000,000

Ukraine population  38,000,000 (about 1/4)

 

Russian Army (before Ukraine war) about 1,000,000

Ukraine Army (before Ukraine war) about  200,000 (or 1/5)

 

Yes, it is a little country.

[Steven P]

9 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Firstly he does respect him, Putin knows that if they did fire a nuke very unlikely.

 

Donald has the balls to call him and wouldn't hesitate to fire, that's why they respect eachother, a mutual knowledge they would do what's necessary not sit and talk about feelings.

 

Spunking up against the wall, yes whilst the results are many dead people it's hardly much more than a constant stalemate.

 

A historical analogy is WW1 trench warfare, lots of death but not much movement. Wasn't it like 10,000 an inch or something mental for Messine ridge?.

 

So trump in his month ish, has got the balls moving and you're still moaning he said a day.

 

Well uncle Joe/saint Obama and alike had what 8 years+ and achieved the sum of diddly except a few graveyards of wasted lives!.

 

Think the respect thing - Putin has no respect for Trump but is not stupid to fire a nuke into the heart of Europe. No respect though.

 

Trump in a month has got things moving.... so long as 'moving' you mean 'telling The Ukraine to surrender'

 

Biden and Obama.... are you resorting to the old argument of "This guy is bad but look over there, bad guysd too so this bad guy is OK", though I suspect that Biden and Obama weren't accepting that the Ukraine just roll over and let Russia invade at will. That's Trumps playbook.