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[Haironyourchest]

"These idiots waiving Mexican flags during the LA riots just gave Donald Trump the greatest political gift," Republican strategist Matt Wylie, who founded Freedom Project USA, told Newsweek. "It will be 'Exhibit A' as proof of an invasion. Those images have done more in the last few days to strengthen his ability to crackdown on illegal immigration than weeks of messaging ever could."

 

 

Credit to the photographers, they captured some magnificent shots.

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:55 by Haironyourchest

[Johnsond]

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[Big J]

But the raids that they are doing have got nothing to do with deporting criminals. Stephen Miller has said as much, demanding that ICE target 7 11s and Home Depot (hardly the hangouts of criminals):
 

Stephen Miller targets Home Depot and 7-Eleven to round up undocumented migrants

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White House Deputy chief of staff ‘eviscerated’ ICE leaders and has created ‘fearful environment,’ report reveals

 

The White House is doing a few things simultaneously. Firstly, the bulk of ICE activity is in states regarded to be liberal. This consolidates support for MAGA in traditionally red states. The Right Wing media spins these protests (and the massively heavy-handed government response) as if they were a repetition of the LA Riots. 

 

California didn't ask for the National Guard, nor the Marines. The last time the National Guard was deployed in the US was in the 1960s by Lyndon B Johnson, to protect (civil rights) protesters, not to oppress them.

 

Secondly, Trump is testing the water to see how the American public responds to US military on the streets of the US. His grip on power may depend on his ability to normalise domestic military deployment, and with the mid-terms not far away and the courts thwarting many of his executive orders, retention of power by any means necessary is within the Trump playbook.

 

As a point aside (because I think it's worth asking) - those of you here that are supportive of Trump obviously wouldn't agree with me that he is a fascist. 

 

If he isn't a fascist (or indeed if you think he is) please could you define what exactly constitutes fascism and how it differs from the current state of affairs in the USA?

 

What's somewhat frightening is that the Nazis took far longer to consolodate power in Germany in the 1930s. We're not even 5 months into the Trump regime.....

[GarethM]

15 minutes ago, Big J said:

But the raids that they are doing have got nothing to do with deporting criminals. Stephen Miller has said as much, demanding that ICE target 7 11s and Home Depot (hardly the hangouts of criminals):
 

Stephen Miller targets Home Depot and 7-Eleven to round up undocumented migrants

WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK

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White House Deputy chief of staff ‘eviscerated’ ICE leaders and has created ‘fearful environment,’ report reveals

 

The White House is doing a few things simultaneously. Firstly, the bulk of ICE activity is in states regarded to be liberal. This consolidates support for MAGA in traditionally red states. The Right Wing media spins these protests (and the massively heavy-handed government response) as if they were a repetition of the LA Riots. 

 

California didn't ask for the National Guard, nor the Marines. The last time the National Guard was deployed in the US was in the 1960s by Lyndon B Johnson, to protect (civil rights) protesters, not to oppress them.

 

Secondly, Trump is testing the water to see how the American public responds to US military on the streets of the US. His grip on power may depend on his ability to normalise domestic military deployment, and with the mid-terms not far away and the courts thwarting many of his executive orders, retention of power by any means necessary is within the Trump playbook.

 

As a point aside (because I think it's worth asking) - those of you here that are supportive of Trump obviously wouldn't agree with me that he is a fascist. 

 

If he isn't a fascist (or indeed if you think he is) please could you define what exactly constitutes fascism and how it differs from the current state of affairs in the USA?

 

What's somewhat frightening is that the Nazis took far longer to consolodate power in Germany in the 1930s. We're not even 5 months into the Trump regime.....

Right wing media, what right wing media.

 

Or are you just talking about the editor apologies section.

[Mark J]

@GarethM : watch this and see what you think

Edited Tuesday at 16:07 by Mark J

[GarethM]

37 minutes ago, Mark J said:

@GarethM : watch this and see what you think

And I'm equally sure I can find a video where they're able to argue Biden's handler Obama is married to a man and those kids are surrogates.

[Haironyourchest]

If they're in the country illegally, they are criminals. They crossed the border illegally. It's a crime. Europeans would get deported too, if they did this.

 

The left saying are saying its not a crime. Well, the majority begged to differ.

 

Fascists ban the private ownership of firearms. And free speech. And consolidate power centrally. Three things Trump and the wider movement have done the opposite of.

 

 

[Mark J]

8 minutes ago, GarethM said:

And I'm equally sure I can find a video where they're able to argue Biden's handler Obama is married to a man and those kids are surrogates.

Did you watch it? 
If so, what are your views on the points made? 
If you didn't watch it you probably should. 

 

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, GarethM said:

Right wing media, what right wing media.

 

Or are you just talking about the editor apologies section.

 

Are you distracting here to avoid talking about the issue? Trump is acting in an authoritarian way, reminiscent of the 'great' fascist dictators and unable to defend the man (?) you are instead picking up on which press have right wing and which have left wing political views and whether there are videos out there showing Obama is married to a man (go on then, post it).

 

I think that while the views of the press we view are an important consideration to form an impartial view, current events in the US with Trump sending troops to the streets to quell what are small scale 'riots' are a far more important consideration... which you have bypassed to talk about whether Obama is gay (which TBH is an irrelevance, he is still a successful and respected statesman).

 

[GarethM]

5 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Are you distracting here to avoid talking about the issue? Trump is acting in an authoritarian way, reminiscent of the 'great' fascist dictators and unable to defend the man (?) you are instead picking up on which press have right wing and which have left wing political views and whether there are videos out there showing Obama is married to a man (go on then, post it).

 

I think that while the views of the press we view are an important consideration to form an impartial view, current events in the US with Trump sending troops to the streets to quell what are small scale 'riots' are a far more important consideration... which you have bypassed to talk about whether Obama is gay (which TBH is an irrelevance, he is still a successful and respected statesman).

Yet more pages of deflection, waffle and SP wordage rollox.

 

None of you seem to accept he won, he's deporting illegals because they are illegal and making America for actual Americans.

 

If it's soooooo small scale why hasn't the locals stopped it then after what 5 days ?.