Potus ???

[sime42]

20 minutes ago, Mesterh said:

This is class. 

 

 

 

The mind boggles.

 

The worst thing is that he never bothers to even attempt to justify or provide evidence to back up all these crazy BS claims that are his currency. Presumably he's realised that he doesn't need to, his MAGA flock will just swallow it all regardless of truth. It's a sad and worrying state of affairs when fact has now become completely interchangeable with opinion and belief in some circles. The US, and beyond, does seem to be becoming a morality and factuality wasteland.

[sime42]

Speaking of ATC. Dismantling of the National Weather Service and NOAA was another brilliant idea mentioned in Project 2025 I think. (An attempt to hide the unfolding affects of Climate Breakdown from the MAGA maybe). That's going to make the job of ATC  even harder when it comes to pass.

 

 

[Steven P]

3 hours ago, Johnsond said:

J you have a pathological hatred for the man, 

 

Trump is not a good man. Don't know how many time this needs reiterating.

 

If he walked into my local, and granted my local might be in one of the more 'discerning' areas around here, then the locals would be having a quiet word with him as he walked home. They would not by falling at his feet worshiping and his sex crimes, his racist ranting, his discrimination, his divide and conquer politics. to worship him in the way that many do is to accept his crimes. To legitimise them.

 

I'd ask again, if he was a local to any of you, would you be buying him a pint in the knowledge that he openly walked in on the Junior Miss World changing rooms...as they were changing.. that he never spoke up as his best friend was raping children on his private island... as he forwarded his pals names for top government jobs knowing that they had also slept with children... would you walk in the pub, shake his hand and buy him a pint?

 

Not a good man.

 

 

[GarethM]

1 minute ago, Steven P said:

 

Trump is not a good man. Don't know how many time this needs reiterating.

 

If he walked into my local, and granted my local might be in one of the more 'discerning' areas around here, then the locals would be having a quiet word with him as he walked home. They would not by falling at his feet worshiping and his sex crimes, his racist ranting, his discrimination, his divide and conquer politics. to worship him in the way that many do is to accept his crimes. To legitimise them.

 

I'd ask again, if he was a local to any of you, would you be buying him a pint in the knowledge that he openly walked in on the Junior Miss World changing rooms...as they were changing.. that he never spoke up as his best friend was raping children on his private island... as he forwarded his pals names for top government jobs knowing that they had also slept with children... would you walk in the pub, shake his hand and buy him a pint?

 

Not a good man.

Waah, he's probably less dodgy that the senile sound bite looser and creepy Joe combined.

 

Name me a good man/women that's in politics!. You'll probably try to tell me Nelson Mandela was such an innocent victim ?.

[Johnsond]

3 hours ago, sime42 said:

The worst thing is that he never bothers to even attempt to justify or provide evidence to back up all these crazy BS claims

🤔That sounds familiar 42, if the cap fits 👍

[Johnsond]

10 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Trump is not a good man. Don't know how many time this needs reiterating

The American voting public obviously disagrees with your utterly pointless, meaningless and repetitive Trump rantings, mind you I know how you feel the amount of times I’ve asked you to provide proof of things or questions on a variety of topics etc  You and Trump by your reasoning have it would seem something in common then, serial BS merchants. 
You not seen the article regarding him releasing the information for Epstein?? Doesn’t fit in with your ranting at all. 

Edited January 31 by Johnsond

[Steven P]

46 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Waah, he's probably less dodgy that the senile sound bite looser and creepy Joe combined.

 

Name me a good man/women that's in politics!. You'll probably try to tell me Nelson Mandela was such an innocent victim ?.

 

 

Mentioned this before, the defence "OK not a good man, but look over there, that man is not a good man either so that pardons man 1 of everything" is pretty poor to be honest

 

By way of a repeated example: "Yes, I done a murder, but that man did 2 murders, so I can go free now"

 

Doesn't work.

 

Still not a good man. Still did rapes. Still watched children undressing. Still had a bestie raping children.. and said nothing. Still put forward for promotion others who were sleeping with children. None of the above in any shape or form are defensible.

[Big J]

22 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

The American voting public obviously disagrees with your utterly pointless, meaningless and repetitive Trump rantings, mind you I know how you feel the amount of times I’ve asked you to provide proof of things or questions on a variety of topics etc  You and Trump by your reasoning have it would seem something in common then, serial BS merchants. 
You not seen the article regarding him releasing the information for Epstein?? Doesn’t fit in with your ranting at all. 

 

Trump's base can be roughly split into two camps - those that hold their nose and vote for him because they believe they'll make more money with him in charge and those that can be described as 'low information'. As Trump once said:

 

"We love the uneducated!"

 

The US political system is a total mess. Between the election college, the vast sums of money involved, gerrymandering, voter suppression, continual lying and propaganda (on both sides, though greatly more from the GOP), without expending a very large amount of time and energy on the topic, it's hard to know what is actually going on.

 

For what it's worth, I think that whilst Biden's domestic record was pretty good throughout his term, his support of Israel has been appalling. His inability to step aside at an appropriate time cost the Dems the election as they were unable to have a primary, which delegitimised Harris. FWIW, I don't think Kamala was a bad candidate, but they had better.

 

And in the end, Biden just took a 'f**k it, I don't care anymore' attitude, and threw pardons out left right and centre. If I were in his position, I'd probably have done the same, but I'd be a terribly corrupt politician and I expect, nay, demand better standards from our elected officials

Which ever way you look at it, America is now fulfilling almost all the criteria of fascistic rule. You may disagree, you may not. You may be OK with that, or (hopefully) not. 

 

The Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC displays a poster written by Laurence Britt in 2003, entitled "The 14 early warning signs of Fascism". Tell me if you disagree that this is the way that the US is going. My comments are in brackets.

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism (the MAGA movement is defined by this)

2. Disdain for human rights (child separation policy of the first administration. Attempted revokation of 14th amendment ie birthright citizenship)

3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause (DEI, trans, immigrants)

4. Supremacy of the military (continued overtures towards taking territory from smaller nations)

5. Rampant sexism (I don't need to explain this one really - grab them by the....?)

6. Controlled mass media (Fox News, the accelerating capitulation by Meta, ABC settling a defamation case, etc etc)

7. Obsession with national security (the immigration emergency executive order)

8. Religion and government intertwined (much the Maga movement is fundamentalist, and Trump has repeatedly compared himself to the Messiah, saying that God spared him for a reason with the attempted assassination)

9. Corporate power protected (money is king for Trump - his tax cuts in the first term were worth three times as much to the top 1% as the bottom 60%)

10. Labor power suppressed (he, like Musk, is fiercely anti union, and anti worker rights in general).

11. Disdain for intellectual & the arts (his disregard for medical and scientific expertise is well-known. He has dissolved the Presidents committee on the arts, as an executive order)

12. Obsession with crime and punishment (he has asked the question as to whether protesters could be shot during the BLM protests)

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption (you could write a book on this one point alone)

14. Fraudulent elections (his claims that the 2020 election was stolen were fraudulent. He has continually tried to undermine the legitimacy of elections in the US, but has been amusingly quiet on the topic when it went his way. It has been mooted that he will attempt to make constitutional changes to allow him to run for a third term).

 

You can say that you like what he's doing - I find that easier to understand than saying that you don't believe that he is doing what he is doing. Everyone has a different world view, and some are indeed more isolationist and self-focused. I'm pretty antisocial and insular, but I try to work on the basis of being respectful and causing no harm. As such, I find Trump's politics to be offensive as he profits from the suffering of others, by way of deception, misinformation and outright lying. 

 

Sadly, that style of politics is gaining a foothold here in Europe too, so who knows what the future holds.

 

[GarethM]

8 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Mentioned this before, the defence "OK not a good man, but look over there, that man is not a good man either so that pardons man 1 of everything" is pretty poor to be honest

 

By way of a repeated example: "Yes, I done a murder, but that man did 2 murders, so I can go free now"

 

Doesn't work.

 

Still not a good man. Still did rapes. Still watched children undressing. Still had a bestie raping children.. and said nothing. Still put forward for promotion others who were sleeping with children. None of the above in any shape or form are defensible.

Welcome to student politics, oh he's bad bad bad.

 

Your not going to reform global politics, so be a bit pragmatic. He is the better man than everything else that was on offer.

 

Granted unlike comrade Starmer he actually said what he was going to do and unsurprisingly is doing it.

 

Maybe in a few years you'll realise, doubtful but hey. How far back can you remember president wise as, just so you've context.

Edited January 31 by GarethM

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

 

Trump's base can be roughly split into two camps - those that hold their nose and vote for him because they believe they'll make more money with him in charge and those that can be described as 'low information'. As Trump once said:

 

"We love the uneducated!"

 

The US political system is a total mess. Between the election college, the vast sums of money involved, gerrymandering, voter suppression, continual lying and propaganda (on both sides, though greatly more from the GOP), without expending a very large amount of time and energy on the topic, it's hard to know what is actually going on.

 

For what it's worth, I think that whilst Biden's domestic record was pretty good throughout his term, his support of Israel has been appalling. His inability to step aside at an appropriate time cost the Dems the election as they were unable to have a primary, which delegitimised Harris. FWIW, I don't think Kamala was a bad candidate, but they had better.

 

And in the end, Biden just took a 'f**k it, I don't care anymore' attitude, and threw pardons out left right and centre. If I were in his position, I'd probably have done the same, but I'd be a terribly corrupt politician and I expect, nay, demand better standards from our elected officials

Which ever way you look at it, America is now fulfilling almost all the criteria of fascistic rule. You may disagree, you may not. You may be OK with that, or (hopefully) not. 

 

The Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC displays a poster written by Laurence Britt in 2003, entitled "The 14 early warning signs of Fascism". Tell me if you disagree that this is the way that the US is going. My comments are in brackets.

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism (the MAGA movement is defined by this)

2. Disdain for human rights (child separation policy of the first administration. Attempted revokation of 14th amendment ie birthright citizenship)

3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause (DEI, trans, immigrants)

4. Supremacy of the military (continued overtures towards taking territory from smaller nations)

5. Rampant sexism (I don't need to explain this one really - grab them by the....?)

6. Controlled mass media (Fox News, the accelerating capitulation by Meta, ABC settling a defamation case, etc etc)

7. Obsession with national security (the immigration emergency executive order)

8. Religion and government intertwined (much the Maga movement is fundamentalist, and Trump has repeatedly compared himself to the Messiah, saying that God spared him for a reason with the attempted assassination)

9. Corporate power protected (money is king for Trump - his tax cuts in the first term were worth three times as much to the top 1% as the bottom 60%)

10. Labor power suppressed (he, like Musk, is fiercely anti union, and anti worker rights in general).

11. Disdain for intellectual & the arts (his disregard for medical and scientific expertise is well-known. He has dissolved the Presidents committee on the arts, as an executive order)

12. Obsession with crime and punishment (he has asked the question as to whether protesters could be shot during the BLM protests)

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption (you could write a book on this one point alone)

14. Fraudulent elections (his claims that the 2020 election was stolen were fraudulent. He has continually tried to undermine the legitimacy of elections in the US, but has been amusingly quiet on the topic when it went his way. It has been mooted that he will attempt to make constitutional changes to allow him to run for a third term).

 

You can say that you like what he's doing - I find that easier to understand than saying that you don't believe that he is doing what he is doing. Everyone has a different world view, and some are indeed more isolationist and self-focused. I'm pretty antisocial and insular, but I try to work on the basis of being respectful and causing no harm. As such, I find Trump's politics to be offensive as he profits from the suffering of others, by way of deception, misinformation and outright lying. 

 

Sadly, that style of politics is gaining a foothold here in Europe too, so who knows what the future holds.

 

I will take that as a confirmation of your dislike for the man 🤔. 
Low information J 😳I know a few guys over there none of whom are low info types and they support him wholeheartedly. 
It’s funny when you say both sides are liars but the other side are bigger liars 🤷‍♂️

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Edited January 31 by Johnsond