john87

Thankfully yes..

Good... Nearly happened to me.. john..

Hi there, I know nothing of your situation, but any property in your dads name needs transferring a bit quick. Never mind inheritance tax, that is the least of your worries. If your dad ends up needing to receive any sort of care or to be in a care home, social services will take the LOT to pay for his care.. The fact you live there means nothing, you will be evicted and the property sold.. john..

I think that is right, but might it not be hard to prove.... john..

You must stop this path up then or you will have no end of trouble in future.. 20 years use and it WILL be a path.. john

One thing about halfords, is thast everything they sell is good quality, so i do not think you will go far wrong with a halfords one.. john..

Never knew you could get a jack like that!! Good idea though! john..

Can i just say one thing about jacks... We all know not to go under things supported on a jack, BUT, we have ALL done things where if the jack was suddenly to collapse, we would have been hurt. NEVER EVER take any risks at all, here is why.. A few years ago i was moving something that weighed 1.25 tons with a pallet truck that was rated for 2 tons so no problem. The load was raised by a few inches and i was nowhere near the thing, then WHAM, the thing dropped like a stone, no warning, nothing, just INSTANT collapse.. I thought WTF???? When i took the hydraulics apart, the seal and its backup had just shattered, literally all broken up. When i went to the hydraulic place to get new ones, i asked them about this. They said it was common, the seal goes hard with age and then, when under pressure, just falls to bits.. Please be careful.. john..

Doug, i know what you are saying, and i bet you have noticed this the same as me.. A dog that has ideas of having a go at the sheep, KNOWS it is not meant to be doing it.. You can tell, body language as you say.. If you see a dog that is just wandering about say, and you call it, it will generally come up to you, no harm done. But, if you see one about to have a go at the sheep, or one that has been, and you call it, it looks at you, and goes sprinting off, you will not get within 200 yards of the thing. The dog knows full well... I am not about to shoot anymore either, it was nearly 40 years ago now.. I caught orf off the things once too, not going near sheep again! john..

Well, i have to be fair, i have read some total and complete crap on here.. [and i could not be arsed to wade through it all] 1, All this stuff about you cannot shoot a dog for being in the field. I have already shown you that the law that says a dog that is merely "at large" is, in the eyes of the law worrying the sheep.. Here we are [once again] (2)For the purposes of this Act [Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953] worrying livestock means— (a)attacking livestock, or (b)chasing livestock in such a way as may reasonably be expected to cause injury or suffering to the livestock or, in the case of females, abortion, or loss of or diminution in their produce. or (c)being at large (that is to say not on a lead or otherwise under close control) in a field or enclosure in which there are sheep] There you go, "being at large".... I did say... A farmer can shoot a dog that is attacking livestock, looks like it is going to, or has, and has then cleared off and returned to the area. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE find the act of parliament that states that this is not so.. You cannot.. Then we have all the utter nonsense about it is a wonder the guns were not siezed and i am likely to be arrested, more total nonsense.. From Devon and cornwall police.. What can the farmer do? The owner of the livestock or the land or any authorised person may kill or injure a dog* in order to protect the livestock. The dog must be worrying or about to worry the livestock. There must be: no other reasonable means of ending or preventing the worrying; or the dog has not left the vicinity and is not under the control of any person and there are no reasonable means of ascertaining ownership. CLEAR ENOUGH???? From South wales police.. Livestock worrying Livestock worrying is a criminal offence and comes under the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 195 ‘Worrying’ is where a dog attacks or chases livestock causing injury or suffering. This isn’t just a threat to a farmer or land owner’s livelihood, it’s also a dangerous situation for the animals involved, and could lead to more risk if the animals get onto the road. A farmer is allowed to kill the dog if it’s worrying their livestock CLEAR ENOUGH???? Kent police.. [same thing] Livestock worrying Livestock worrying is a criminal offence and comes under the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953‘Worrying’ is where a dog attacks or chases livestock causing injury or suffering. This isn’t just a threat to a farmer or land owner’s livelihood, it’s also a dangerous situation for the animals involved, and could lead to more risk if the animals get onto the road. A farmer is allowed to kill the dog if it’s worrying their livestock. CLEAR ENOUGH???? Warwickshire police.. PC Mike Barnett, dog legislation officer for Warwickshire Police and West Mercia Police, said: “We are at the very beginning of lambing season and we are already starting to have problems with dogs. Farmers are within their rights to shoot dogs worrying sheep on their land. “To lose sheep and unborn lambs has a big effect on farmers’ livelihoods. To lose a loved pet causes huge upset for dog owners too. “All is takes to avoid this distress is to keep dogs on leads and make sure they cannot get out and run loose.” Farmers are within their rights to shoot dogs worrying sheep on their land, Warwickshire Police said. CLEAR ENOUGH???? Then we have the animals act 1971.. 3)Subject to subsection (4) of this section, a person killing or causing injury to a dog shall be deemed for the purposes of this section to act for the protection of any livestock if, and only if, either— (a)the dog is worrying or is about to worry the livestock and there are no other reasonable means of ending or preventing the worrying; or (b)the dog has been worrying livestock, has not left the vicinity and is not under the control of any person and there are no practicable means of ascertaining to whom it belongs. So much for all the talk of you actualy have to catch the thing in the middle of tearing a sheep apart.. [Once again, i did say] So, if people want to talk crap, that is up to them, but that is what it is, crap.. john..

Whoever told you that does not have a clue!! Once a footpath, always a footpath. The test is whether it is on the local councils definitive map. If it is, it is a footpath and it would be illegal to try to block it.. john..

Ok, so what would YOU do, when you have just caught your OWN dog bothering the sheep or catch the same dog just after it has killed about 15 of your hens?? You cannot just decide to put potentially dangerous animals in a field with a public right of way. That is the right way to end up on a manslaughter charge.. john..

Err, why not, and a 12 bore with loaded with SG.. john..

Exactly correct, someone that actually knows about sheep.. john..

Ah, well theres a funny old thing.. Suggest you look what the law states instead of guessing.. You state that "Farmers DO NOT have the right to shoot a dog no matter wot it is doing but they do have a defence for shooting it if it is in the act of worrying" Ok, lets see what the LAW classes as "worrying" then.. Oh look.. For the purposes of this Act [Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953] worrying livestock means— (a)attacking livestock, or (b) chasing livestock in such a way as may reasonably be expected to cause injury or suffering to the livestock or, in the case of females, abortion, or loss of or diminution in their produce. or (c) being at large (that is to say not on a lead or otherwise under close control) in a field or enclosure in which there are sheep] So there you are, simply being "at large" is worrying.. Now, why do you think the law includes being "at large" if this is not worrying the sheep?? and as you rightly say, if they are being worried, you shoot the dog.. Secondly, everytime we shot a dog, [and there were plenty] we got the police [it is a requirement to report you have shot one] who would generally come and have a look. Funny how we never got arrested or guns taken off us then... john..

Funny that, as i used to work on a farm with 200 breeding ewes [so over 400 of the things after lambing] so i think i know just a bit about sheep.. john..

Yes, i agree with what you say, would not mind shooting the owners at all... I knew a bloke once that owned a welding shop. I said to him about shooting the dogs and he was not happy. I said "Alan. how would you feel it you came in here one morning and there was a monkey busy bending all your welding rods in half, you would not have a problem shooting that would you" !!! Problem with sheep is just the sight of a dog worries them, that is why they all go into a bunch.. I cannot remember the theory, but it is something to do with what is better for the survival of the flock, to scatter, or to bunch up. The one way results in more chance of the INDIVIDUAL surviving, and the other, there is more chance of the flock as a whole surviving, cannot remember which is which though.. john.. john..

Well, they do not. BUT the sheep in the photo are clearly worried, that is why they have bunched together, HOWEVER, when you are working sheep with a dog, you do not let the dog do as it likes. For a start off, you DO NOT let the dog get too close to the sheep, nor to you let the dog "hurry" the sheep, as, if you do they often simply fall down dead. Apparently, a sheep has a very small heart for the size of its body you see. Anyway, when you work sheep with a dog, you know what you are doing.. Even so, you have to be careful with the dog, as, sometimes, the dogs will go moving the sheep from field to field on their own, so you get the dog and beat the living daylights out of it. That cures that.. If you see a dog on its own in you field, even if it is doing nothing wrong, just looking, you have to shoot it. Reason for this, is you can GUARANTEE that the dog will be back later with its mates.. THEN they will not just stand and look.. Equally, you get dog owners that think it is amusing to let their dog chase the sheep adn when challenged they get abusive and say "it is only playing" They tend to be most put out when you say you have three seconds to get it under control or i will blast it for you. When you see that something is bothering your sheep, [they will make a lot of noise and bunch together] and you go out and you see live sheep with their guts dragging on the ground or maybe 20 of them with their ears ripped off, you tend to take a dim view next time you see a dog in the field. john..

If it were not my dog, [and by that i mean the farmers] instantly without any hesitation.. Just the sight of a dog can make pregnant ewes abort.. john..

Obviously, you should not take a dog into a field with sheep in it, whether the thing is on a lead or not, that is worrying livestock an you fully deserve to have your dog shot, i have shot quite a few myself.. But, a right of way is just that. It is not a right of way when it suits the farmer nor can you endanger people on your land. I for instance could not dig a large hole in my front garden and say nothing to do with me if the postman falls into it.. Farmers seem a bit averse to following laws that apply to the rest of us.. Let me put it like this.. Most, if not all of you, will have kids.. How would YOU feel if your child was lawfully making its way along a public right of way with friends only to be killed by bull that some idiot has left in a field with cows etc... Be different then eh!! john..

Public right of way, end of.. You cannot put cows with calves or bulls or anything else dangerous in a field with a right of way across it. Farmer not happy with this?? Should not have bought the field then.. john..

Thank you!! john..

What does lifting the crown mean?? john..

Yes i will!! That is a really good idea!! john..

Ha ha!! no!! john..