john87

Facebook marketplace is free to sell.. john..

I was thinking this... What you think.. Apart from my weight, there is also liable to be shock loading [sort of] as i bounce around on a rope if i fall of the tree [round to the back]. Anyway, lifting gear, all has a 5:1 safety factor. Funnily enough, i also have a 5:1 pulley block, so i was thinking of attaching that to my anchor point up in the tree and tieing it off at the base, and then, if i can safely put all or most of my weight on that, then i will be fine!! There are loads of willow trees i have to prune as well. These things are not safe as large branches fall off all the time, so i was going to do the same thing with them too, make sure that what ever branch i am attached to does not decide to fall off taking me with it.. Better safe than sorry and all that.. john..

Not done it yet. I was just contemplating doing it when i got corona virus.. I think it is fair to say i have not felt at my best for a while!!! It is a weird thing, not like anything else i have had.. I did not realise at first, it seems like it is slow to develop, then one morning i had the altered taste thing. I did a test straight away [i have boxes of the things and it was positive.. That stage [the being infectious] is over now, but still got a cough and feel a bit strange.. Being 60 on wednesday does not help! The tree is still there, albeit supported with a lorry strap and rachet to a tree neary to stop it falling over.. You see, wehen it was windy the other week, i looked one day and thought that i have never seen a tree waving in the wind down so far towards the base, that is when i noticed that the ground about 3 feet away from the tree was lifting about 2 inches in the gusts of wind!! Will still be ok to climb supported the way it is, as what difference do i make to the tree compared to the force of the wind that was on it, the thing will barely notice me..

Yawn...

That must be one of the most frequently posted YouTube videos on Arbtalk. No complaints though, it's legendary. Go forward to the 7:30 mark.... If that chunk had landed on that rope... Then what... john..

While i think of it, please do not make the mistake of thinking that because a person has more than the capital limit [£23,000 odd] that social services will not get involved or will not help. They have to by law, as after all the care act clearly states that; The duty to carry out a needs assessment applies regardless of the authority’s view of— (a)the level of the adult’s needs for care and support, or (b)the level of the adult’s financial resources What will happen, is, if care is provided by the LA, is that such person will be means tested as having to meet the entire cost themselves, a very different thing to just walking away from social services and trying to "row your own boat" as it were.. Part of the assessment covers financial matters and social services will help get financial support that is NOT means tested, such as personal independance payments or attendance allowance to which such person may very well be entitled, REGARDLESS of means or income.. john..

You have gone about things the wrong way i am afraid.. What you SHOULD have done, is to tell the hospital that there is/was nowhere suitable for him to be discharged too. Then they would not have been able to discharge him at all and they would have had to sort out a care home place for him with social services.. Despite what social services would have told you, your dad would have had a choice in where to go, the "The Care and Support and After-care (Choice of Accommodation) Regulations 2014" see to that, until that he would have stayed in hospital [unless some covid rule has changed things..] These emergency carers, who was paying them?? who was employing them?? You need to contact social services as soon as you can, do it now if you want, there will be someone on duty on the duty desk. The problem you now have, is that social services HAVE to act, they have a DUTY to act, but NOT, when someone else has volunteered to provide support, so you must tell them that you are not prepared to.. You might run into a problem where they will refuse to discuss your dad unless he agrees.. john..

ok,, Well you have been right royally bullshitted to.. First, the hospital would not devise a care plan, but they WOULD have wanted to be satisfied that he was being discharged to a safe environment.. They would have asked him and he presumably told them he was. They would have no reason to doubt this unless they suspected that he "lacked capacity" [MCA and all that] Did you tell the hospital that he was going to live with you on his discharge?? Second time he was admitted, the hospital obviously contacted social services would would have done an emergency assessment, hence the carers.. Now, 1, who arranged the respite care?? 2, What is stopping him simply leaving and walking out?? 3, where are social services now?? You need to be contacting them a bit sharpish as YOU do not need to do anything, THEY do though Your dad needs a proper S9 care act assessment. I would imagine that he will not have had one yet as social services have a POWER but not a duty, to just provide services without having done a proper assessment. I do not understand what you mean about the live in carer, it is for the care home to find staff not you.. What kind of a care home is this?? All sounds VERY strange to me.. john..

If you have any direct questions i will try to answer them. Do you want her to go to a home or not. What does she say, what do social services say?? john..

Hi There, I do not understand what you are asking. If he is in a private nursing home, how can he not be safe at night?? What is the problem, What do you think needs to be done?? Define EXACTLY what you mean by "live in carer" live where??? john..

Hi all!! Do not worry, i have not disappeared or fallen out of a tree. Just feel VERY ill at moment.. Back soon with updates!! Thanks for all the info though!! john..

Ultimately, aftercare is provided EITHER by the NHS [as CHC] or by the local authority social services department, under either the care act, or the social services and well-being act, depending on where you live. You would not need to have a social worker, but it would ultimately be a social worker who makes the decision as to whether or not a person has an "eligible" need under the acts, as it them [social services] that will be paying [unless, as you say, you qualify for CHC] As you say, it is only NOT means tested if the person qualifies for CHC, and this is correct with the NHS paying for the lot Otherwise, [if you did not qualify for CHC] it would fall to the LA as part of their duties [or powers if it suits them] under the acts to provide for your needs instead, and so the person would be means tested by the local authority THEMSELVES, [as it is them providing the care] and, depending on circumstances, a person may or may not be required to meet the full cost themselves or contribute a proportion or indeed nothing at all [but this would be unlikely as you would presumably qualify for PIP] john..

Yes, here in theory it is the same. [Wales] The NHS and social services are supposed to work in unison and even carry out a joint assessment ["the unified assessment process"] To bad though, that in the area of my expertise, mental health, the assessment required by law for NHS purposes under the "Mental health measure" is completely different to the one that social services have to do by law under the SSWBA, totally different domains of assessment.. What will happen, and i expect you have seen this already, is people getting stuck in the middle, with no support, while the two halves of the "team" argue over whose responsibility it is to meet the need.. The entire thing is a complete mess.. john..

Oooerrr... Do not fancy that!! john...

Where would you even start with that?? john..

Yes, that is the plan. I do not want to take a chance on geting stuck up there though, as, the fire brigade would not be able to get in there with a turntable ladder, not would they even get in with an ordinary ladder. It would have to be some sort of arb climbing firm that would be called out to get a climbing line to me so as i could get down. It would be just my luck if it were one of you lot!! I would never live it down!! john..

Your needs would initially be assessed by a social worker, who would then do a referral to the OT.. The decision on whether to meet your needs is PURELY down to the social worker, HOWEVER, in a case like yours where they involved an OT, the part the OT would play, would be to make the decision as to what equipment you might need. So for example, someone alerts your need to social services. A social worker is appointed, does an assessment [whether you realise or not] and they have the FINAL say as to whether your needs are to be addressed. They decide that assessment by a specialist is needed, and so, in cases that involve mobility issues, they will do a referral to the OT. [As the law states that assessments have to be carried out by a suitably qualified person] The OT decides that you do have needs getting upstairs [for example] Now, where assessment is carried out by a specialist, in the event of disagreement, the views of the specialist prevail. This means that if the OT decided that you needed a very expensive stairlift, even though social services managers would choke, you would be getting a stairlift, as that would be the verdict of the specialist and their opinion prevails as i explained.. Your first port of call when seeking help [unless you were assessed as eligible for NHS CHC [continuing health care, which is unlikely AND the assessment must be carried out prior to your discharge from hospital] UNLESS you are seeking strictly medical intervention, [in which case you would go to a hospital] is always social services, an S9 care act 2014 assessment in england, and an S19 assessment under the terms of the social services and well-being act 2014 in wales Clear as mud innit.. john..

I think you are looking at things from the NHS perspective and not social care [which can be residential or in a service users own home] A doctor would organise follow up care from the NHS as you say. This is because a local authority is banned by law from providing medical care unless it is "incidental and ancilliary" to the provision of accomodation by them. Insofar as a doctor would arrange a care package in the english or welsh sense, the only part they would play in this would be to telephone social services, or at least that is how it works in england and wales.. In scotland, are the NHS and social services separate entities as they are here, or are they one and the same?? If so, that would change things a lot.. john..

Hi There, Who assesses the patients and draws up the care plans?? [and pays] From what you are saying it sounds to me like the care plans are hospital discharge plans and not the "community care assessments" that social services provide?? In saying that, i have no idea as to what discharge planning is done in a "general" hospital for want of a better term, as my area of expertise all revolves around the processes involved in care provided in a psychiatric hospital. There a patient would have a multi disciplinary CPA/CTP meeting at the point of discharge, with a CTP care plan being drawn up there and then, followed by the patient being sent on their way!! Aftercare, would then be provided or arranged for by the local CMHT [community mental health team] which is a jointly run affair combining the efforts of both the NHS and social services. The patient would also have a named "key worker" or "care manager" in charge of their aftercare [if any] and usually they would be appointed a CPN [community psychiatric nurse] or a mental health social worker that would be part of the CMHT team.. Whether the patient has to pay for their own care depends on whether they were admitted as an "informal" patient [just as securely locked up, but volunteered to go] or as a "formal" patient brought in by the police, on, usually S136, or they might be admitted on S2 [for assessment, often then put on S3 for treatment] of the MHA. There are also other sections used for forensic patients transferred from prison, or that a judge has sent direct to a secure hospital rather than prison. If they WERE a "formal" patient, then any aftercare they are assessed as needing on their discharge care plan, would be provided free of charge by virtue of operation of S117 of the MHA. As i say, no idea how it works in the more usual sort of hospital.. I presume that the Marie Curie teams are funded by way of a council "block" grant and not on an individual patient by patient basis as would be the case of care provided [direct provision] or otherwise funded, by the local authority?? john..

Thank you for all your great advice, here is what i have decided to do.. Ok, so originally. i was thinking of spiking up the thing using a choked off lanyard which "should" prevent me from ending up on the wrong side, and, the idea was, if i DID slip, that i "should" be able to scrabble back round. I think i will go for the multisaver though, and choke that off and shove it up as i go, that way, if i do fall off, i can just decend my climb line and go back up, no chance of getting stuck half way up a tree.. So choices choices.. I have not got one, so do i get a Multisaver or a Fimblesaver... john..

OMG!!!! john..

Not sure, about 40 feet i suppose, i will go and have a look in a bit!! [Turned out to be more like 50 odd feet, but it is a weird skinny thing] john..

Hi There, You say that; "For whatever reasons the system really is broken" and you are correct. I can tell you EXACTLY why the system is broken though, the law of the land has provided for the circumstances where people are entitled to have the care they need. It is the unprofessional twats of doctors and social workers, proper wankers, that collude to thwart the will of parliament. Selfish twats that only care about themselves, never mind the "duty of care" to their clients. Now, i know that sounds a bit harsh, but let me explain.. The system basically works like this; Social services have a DUTY to assess where "it appears to them" that someone has a need. Now, the law states that; "The duty to carry out a needs assessment applies, regardless of the authority’s view of the level of the adult’s needs for care and support" This means the bar is set very low, so that in practice, they have to assess everyone that asks for an assessment. This assessment has to be in writing, and then, from this, they decide what help you require and this is written into a "care plan" Now, i will just explain the "old" version of the law now as it makes things simpler to understand. The law states that a local authority is allowed to take resources into account when deciding what needs to meet, [and all kinds of regulations sprang up to provide a mechanism for deciding] BUT and it is a very BIG but, once having decided that it is necessary to meet a need, they then HAVE to meet this need REGARDLESS OF RESOURCES, they are committed.. Now, the sentence above in bold type is a bit outdated, but i will come back to that later.. So, once this "need" is on your care plan, they HAVE to meet this need and if not, you could enforce it in court.. So, where does it all go wrong?? Well, the person that has the final say, in law, as to what your needs actually are, is the social worker that does the assessment. There is nothing whatsoever you can do about their verdict [this bit has changed a bit] so long as they went about it, the actuall process of assessment i mean, in the right way. [Going off at a bit of a tangent, if they did not, you could legally force them to redo it, but there is nothing to stop them reaching the same verdict again..] So, up to now you can see that basically; 1, you have an assessment. 2, using their professional judgement, they write a care plan, and 3, the local authority have a legal obligation to meet this plan.. So where does it all go wrong??? I can tell you exactly.. 1, The social worker does the assessment, [which they will NEVER show you] 2, THEN they remember this bit "once having decided that it is necessary to meet a need, they then HAVE to meet this need REGARDLESS OF RESOURCES" 3, Therefore, before they write the care plan, they go off to see their boss who will tell them to "readjust" their assessment, leaving out bits that are deemed to be too expensive, and it is the "readjusted" version that will get onto your care plan.. Totally illegal, totally unprofessional, a deliberate team effort to thwart the will of parliament, but this is what happens. They might try to dress it up and will talk about "having to ask the funding panel" but there is no basis in law for this sort of rubbish whatsoever. They have allowed their professional judgement to be swayed to suit their bosses desire to avoid spending money... Absolutely disgusting... This happens every day in every social services department in the country, and THAT, is why the system is "broken" Now, remember i said earlier about the "old" version of the law, and that things had changed a bit?? Well, parliament got a bit pissed off with its will being thwarted in this way [more on this later] so they brought in "eligibility criteria" that basically lists the needs that they MUST provide for, therefore, takinghthe decision as to what needs they were going to meet, away from the local authority to some extent.. I cannot explain it all here, it would be about thirty pages, but basically, it all revolves around, IN ADDITION to what you might imagine was "care" [wiping your bum, that sort of thing] providing services to enable a person to do whatever is important to that person and their "wellbeing" I have no idea what the english criteria are, but here in wales you might recieve help to go to church [this is one official example for you that actually appears in the regulations] but i suspect the english version will be similar. Now, it is all very well parliament passing these acts on the one hand BUT, at the same time, with the other hand, they cut the amount they provide to local authorities to pay for all this and that is the root cause of all that has gone wrong.. I have to go out now, but later i will write some more about things you NEED to know about, that you will find very useful.. john..

I just renamed the thread.. john..

You did good, your mum would be proud of you.. People do not realise that they have all this to come. They listen to what politicians have to say, unaware that it is all lies, they think that everyone that needs help is a "scrounger" The government encourage this view, divide and conquer sort of thing.. People that have actually been through the system know that to get any help at all is next to impossible unless you are VERY well versed in care law AND have very powerful medical evidence.. A "scrounger" has no chance.. Never forget there are quite a few "hidden" disabilities too.. The government, when covid came along, were DESPERATE, to make sure the truth about the welfare state never got out. They were DETERMINED, that when people got made redundant etc, that they would be treated nearly as royalty, so as further down the line, they would say that "we were on universal credit once, it was ok, it is just all the scroungers are whingers" Well, let me tell you the truth.. all their claims were simply waved through for political expediency. Normally a claimant would wait MONTHS, and you do realise that it is not backdated?? This means that many end up losing everything and homeless.. To give you an idea about how things were waved through. I am very closely associated with 2 people that work for the DWP. There were claims from people that stated their kids names were 1, 2, 3, and Fish, Chips, and Peas. Their claims were simply waved through.. This country is very sick indeed. The NHS HAS been broken up for sale. Every microscopic department is run as a separate business ready to be sold off. Say a ward manager wants a shelf putting up, they have to get a "cost code" [like a purchase order in effect] and their ward is then billed. Ok, so now they have their new shelf, they want the old desk taking away. Guess what, they have to contact the facilities department and they then get billed for the transport.. It is INSANE, the admin costs and delays are just mental.. It is the same with everything. You want a domestic to come and clean a bedroom?? Your ward will be billed for it even though every last person involved and every bit of property is part of the same hospital owned by the same trust.. It is lunacy.. As Peasgood has said, doctors will not see you. So what do you do?? Easy, you complain to the NHS!! Guess what will happen?? You will be given the run around on purpose to wear you down, and finally, after they have finished laughing themselves silly, they will spring it on you.. FACT, very very few doctors or their surgeries are anything to do with the NHS. They are all [well nearly all] privately owned businesses who take the attitude TOUGH SHIT and if you do not like it you will be simply and instantly [no matter what the "rules" state] dumped.. They merely have a CONTRACT with the NHS.. So, we are now more or less back to the 1940's when all doctors were private. Now, remember how i said in another post how that the law had been changed so that the NHS COULD charge?? Will not be long now and all doctors surgeries will be charging.. Just wait and see.. But still, people cannot see what is happening, they cannot see how the ordinary working man is being duped. People have delusions of grandeur, and think that they have their own home and business and are somehow "middle class" and a cut above. Yes, until the second a member or their family needs help or care. They all assumed that the NHS would help only to find that effectively, unless you are run over by a car or fall out of a tree and need acute surgical intervention, that there is not much the NHS will do. You will be left high and dry, and, if you do not have hundreds or thousands of pounds sitting ready, you will not be getting any care and you will lose everything if you do.. The attitude is; "we are the NHS, we deal with illnesses. You have not got an illness, you have got a condition, nothing to do with us, suggest you learn to live with it" so, if you have or develop any sort of "chronic" condition as you age, say dementia or whatever, you are more or less on your own.. I could write reams of stuff about this, even where people have been, basically, not far off murdered by the NHS, but nothing happens, [and i would get in serious shit] This is supposed to be a civilised country.. Not anymore.. We have gone back nearly 100 years to "them and us" john...