Steven P

But that's the business model they have worked on for years. Flip side of that are a lot of the parks are very profitable with the van owners (chunk of the business is ground rent to van owners) - talking to a rep a few years back the holiday parks don't own most of the caravans, not all are hired out - so putting in a load of immigrants is going to hurt that business too. Other big revenue is the bar... which immigrants on pennies a week cannot afford... but the van owners will want open for their own weekend away... not all the cash is the £50 a week per person Only saying, I am sceptical that they would be housing immigrants at the same time as holiday makers and owners.

Well, yes. 2 busses turned up, shortly after 60 odd cleaners were wandering the site with hoovers. Seen it happen on most of the sites we've been to. Outside of cleaning time residents mostly fitted the demographic of the local population. So yes. Of course, might be that they were migrants housed on site who were very particular about cleanliness but I'll go for an explanation that fits what I saw better.

Brace yourself.. reply incoming shortly.

They wouldn't be able to afford me.

So typically the holiday resorts are cleaned by people, these people do not live on site, but are - get this - bussed in in the morning - they then do cleaning. One thing that has struck me when we were having a break at some is that the cleaners tend to be coloured - African or Asian descent. So I guess if you were just passing the bus stop in the morning, a coach pulls up, 30 coloured cleaners get off I can see how you can be mistaken. Might be that if the observer was particularly stupid and not checking things out they'd go to the press with a poor photo and a bad observation - and the press, willing to sell papers to the idiots would go with the story without checking it out. Typically holiday parks are run on a tight budget, do not have the cash set aside to pay fines for employing workers illegally - these bussed in workers are there legally and there, on minimum wage, to clean up others shit. Cannot afford cleaners stealing either, all will have been checked out properly. Might be an observation on UK society on a whole but the only people wanting to clean up after others are immigrants, 'we' don't want to do it... and until we do we will need low paid immigrants willing to graft to make a better life for themselves.

"Wronguns"... but you are still defending him. Why is that?

I'd tend to agree with that, a cheap supermarket sticking plaster to try to fix a problem (falls off after 5 minutes), far better not to create the problem in the first place. I will pick you up on something there: 'Lazy, ill-informed politicians' - is there another type of politician?

How tall are the odd hedge jobs you might get generally? and how tall a ladder are you comfortable using? That's going to help with suggestions I reckon. I'll be in a similar position later in the year - small fruit tree pruning so interested to see what is suggested.

Go on Gareth; Epstein, Trumps best pal, paedophile, convicted of "soliciting a minor (that means: Child) for prostitution", boyfriend of Maxwell who was convicted of conspiracy to traffic children for Epstein, reported, like Saville to have hundreds of victims. How is what Epstein did a grey area: Epstein has been universally acknowledged as a pedo. He raped children. Children aged 11, 12, 13, You are trying to defend him. Explain why. Perhaps your fan club could chip in, explain how Epstein raping children is OK. Trump is equally guilty as any that try to defend Epstein, Trump knew well what he was doing and said.. nothing. He knew Epstein raped children and didn't report this to the police. Why would that be? Mentally not there, unable to see right and wrong perhaps, or perhaps complicit in the crimes too and not wanting to implicate himself.

Talking of smoke. Smoke and mirrors, But.... Your explanation please as to why you are defending the paedophile, Epstein.

You mean the 11, 12, and 13 year olds? That grey area? Epstein has been universally acknowledged as a pedo. He raped children. You are trying to defend him. Explain why.

Just to remind you, we are still referring to your 'grey area' that you explained a couple of pages back where raping chidren - that you know - is a grey area - between acceptable and not.

'Hair Sniffer' - was this good or bad because Biden did or didn't know the child, or is that another of your grey areas?

Might do.

Interesting one from Trump I read last night, something like "Stopping wars gets me one rung higher to getting into heaven, and I am on the bottom rung, need all the help I can get".. something along those words anyway. An unusual message, - Is he ill, often at the end of life people start regretting stuff and wanting an after life - Has the constant Epstein stories got to his conscience? - Is he trying to appeal a little more to his religious fan clubs? Not sure, but when I read that I did wonder if there was another message in there.