This thread feels like logjam..... There's no doubting that this kid is an a-hole, he's got no manners or respect and is fairly typical of the sort of indifference we're producing in our youth. But no-one can argue that the big guy wasn't TECHNICALLY and LEGALLY in the wrong. Sadly 'morally' carries very little weight in present legal thinking....
However, while what the big guy did in this instance can easily be argued for, the kid was openly vile, there is every chance that what he did may have been wholly inappropriate or could have had tragic consequences.
I don't want to sound like a liberal.... I'm so far to the right I've fallen off the edge, however, the way this country operates is NOT the way of the 'vigilante' - it's the same reason that the riots achieved nothing, you can't get your way by throwing your weight around.
It was easy to foresee this outcome the second this story came to light. Punishment is in the hands of the law, however effective - or ineffective - that may be......
I still maintain that the route cause of this whole debacle was the guard on the train handling the situation in a wholly inappropriate way and if I had my way, he'd be sacked for allowing one of his passengers to 1, lay a finger on another and 2, do his job for him in a way that I'm pretty sure isn't in the staff handbook anymore... If he had said, 'No thanks' the big guy wouldn't now be in the pot.
I don't dispute that the police are generally a waste of time. But the big guy set himself up for a fall the second he got 'physically' involved. It's really difficult to argue in a court of law that not being able to present a ticket for a train is a greater crime than picking someone up and throwing him off said train....
Whether you agree with it or not you have to accept that this was the only possible outcome from the legal system we have in place..... All that is open to debate is whether you think that's right or wrong.
Personally I think in THIS INSTANCE it's wrong, however generally it would be a very dangerous direction to take.... who draws the line... if you run over a few days on your car tax is it OK for someone bigger than you to drag you out of your car and take the keys off you....?