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No, nothing. Interesting prospect, but would be hard to do with softwood planted without tubes. We decided to go with an excavator based mulcher on the present site. It's looking very good.

That is odd. Mine was chucking around WRC logs at 1500-1600kg (weighed onto a wagon) without an difficulty.

Odd. It's certainly powerful enough for everything I've chucked at it so far. The 3.75m spruce mentioned was 100cm on the butt and 82cm at the top end. No problem for it at all. And I loaded it onto an artic too.

My Komatsu 840TX has a fairly strong Cranab crane on it and the heaviest stick I've measured and worked out the weight of was 2.3t (a very girthy 3.75m spruce stick). That was a fairly easy lift over the pins. The issue with forwarders is that the pins are largely fixed and with girthy lumps, you have to lift them pretty high to clear the pins. I'd guess my forwarders comfortable limit is about 2.5t

I can never remember the different terms, but these days I just go for simple financing in the form of VAT as the deposit (which I get back, as VAT registered), and the balance plus interest divided up over the 36-60 month term so that it's all paid off at the end. The vehicle is then mine to do with as I please.

Older vehicles can be a false economy. Just make sure you straight finance it with no balloon payment. And get one where it's not going to come out of warranty whilst you own it.

A new Navara/L200/Hilux etc will only work out at a monthly payment of about £350/month plus VAT over 5 years and it's yours at the end. That's less than £100/week and when you factor in the much better fuel economy, zero repair costs (most offer a 5 year warranty) and a large reduction in down time, that cost is well worth it. Just fuel economy is a big one. A modern Narava for instance (NP300 I think is the designation) does 10mpg more than it's predecessor (the D40). On 25k per annum, that's a fuel saving of £1400, which is a third of your annual finance cost. And then downtime. Lets assume your billing out at £150-200 a day. If you lose 3 days per annum with an old truck to repairs, you're doing well, but that's over £500 lost. Plus actual repair bills. If it's your daily driver, I'd always recommend going new unless you have a back up vehicle. You always lose money with vehicles - with new it's depreciation, with old it's down time and repairs. I find the former to be less annoying.

Realistically about 4t straight lift for the biggest machines. I remember having a big komatsu on a site in Scotland years ago and it managed to clean lift a 4t elm log. The main limiting factor is the grab and what it can grip

What this forum clearly needs more of is Boobies. So here is a lovely pair....

Pretty much anything but pop. My personal tastes are punk (mid 80s onwards, not the 1977 stuff), ska, funk, metal, blues, jazz and lots more. On the whole though, I only listen to classical regularly. Any music, made for the right reasons has value, even if it's not to your own personal taste. I can't stand the manufacturered X-Factor type garbage that seems to dominate the charts though. I have respect for anyone that chooses to play an instrument, and plays it well. Doubly so if they can compose something meaningful to themselves too.

That is a sad truth. I know that I get away with more due to my size, but I would still exercise a degree of caution. Besides, it wasn't rural Kevin, it was Tiverton. The Big City man! ?

Here is a video of the owl being released, for something a little cheerier

After a bracing walk with the kids to help release an owl that we found a month ago near to our forestry site (a young tawny own, bruised leg and eye infection, a month with a bird sanctuary and it's fine), we popped to McDonalds on the way back. On pulling up, we noticed a new VW Polo sat in the car park with the music far too loud. Crap music too. As we walked past, I saw (from the passenger window) a cup come flying out. I immediately charged over to the car, opened the door and bollocked the young couple (less than 20 yrs old) and insisted the young wench go pick up her litter. They weren't impressed but she did it. I'm just wondering if I've progressed to the final stage of grumpy old man, complete with forestry worker enhancement? ? I just can't imagine any other reaction to that sort of behaviour. I absolutely detest littering. There are bins everywhere in a McDs carpark. Not that there is ever an excuse, but when surrounded by bins it's staggering! ?

There is a much better consistency of work with forestry. It's very hard work, but if you're any good, you'll find 7 days a week at £180+ a day.

I lived briefly in Salford and then Trafford Bar 15 years ago. I worked in deepest, darkest Salford and it wasn't a place I'd ever choose to go again. I think I might have passed through Rochdale once, and it was pretty unpleasant. I'm not a fan of Greater Manchester at all. It's a challenging situation from a policing perspective, certainly. A lack of community engagement, and as you say, proper policing, has resulted in a pretty sure situation. That being said, harsh prison sentences aren't going to fix the social issues in these towns. It's going to need a bottom up approach to stamping out this criminality before it even develops. As you said, there isn't that issue with the older generation.

I cannot argue with the sentiment, and I share your desire for retributive justice when considering criminals who have wronged me, or indeed anyone else. My point is that, even if it's contrary to human nature, a focus on rehabilitation results in a lower crime rate. If the main focus of any criminal justice system is to prevent crime (which is universally is, or indeed should be) then a focus on rehabilitation should be adopted. Recidivism is 77% in the US and 40% in Sweden, for example.

Whilst I understand the sentiment involved, retributive justice is counter productive. It comes down to whether you wish to punish crime that has occurred or seek to prevent it from happening in the first place. It would however be over simplistic to say that in all cases that incarceration with the intent of restoring the criminal to a useful and harmless member of society is the best course. Some people are beyond redemption. Even if it goes contrary to human nature, you have to look at the two extremes of the two opposing justice systems. On the one hand, you have the USA (with it's Draconian sentences) and it's sky high (particularly violent) crime rate. On the other, you have Scandinavia, with it's rehabilitative approach and low rates of recidivism. I cannot personally speculate as to the specifics of this case as the community in which it occurred is quite different from where I live. However, I would say that in the long term, community efforts to reduce criminal and racial tensions would be money better spent than increased prison sentences. I don't think that the prison terms act as much of a deterrent. In this case, special mention has to go to the extremely brave actions of the young tree surgeon, and I wish him all the best in his recovery.

Of no help at all, but that's my old home patch. Went to school there

That's a fair point. There is a reasonable amount of sitka regeneration throughout the block, but after 12-18 inches of rain in the 3 weeks we've been on site, the ground isn't looking great at present. Perhaps a mulch will act a bit like a wildfire in Australia, being the catalyst for new growth? It's just a thought. We've 12500 new trees to plant regardless.

We're nearly finished with a 5.5 hectare spruce clearfell and one of the options is to mulch ahead of restocking. We've basically got three options, which are low cost, medium cost and high cost. Low cost: Windrow brash Medium cost: Excavator based mulcher to mulch all brash and grind down some of the old stumps. It can't do anything with the fresh stumps. High cost: Purpose built forestry mulcher, everything ground to a pulp, site left like a tilled field ready for restocking. Costs are approximately £500/hectare, £1000/hectare and £2200/hectare respectively. Has anyone any contrasting experience with these different approaches from the point of view of future growth rates? My theory is that whilst the complete mulch option is the highest outlay now, the nutrient content ploughed back into the soil will result in a higher growth rate. Even if that's only an extra 2 cube per year per hectare, by the time you're at the first thinning at 15 years, that's 30 cube, which has a minimum roadside of about £1350. Couple that with the complete lack of stumps from the first rotation (and the lower harvesting costs), you're probably beyond the initial cost of £2200/hectare for the mulching. No massive stumps also means that you're able to use much smaller machines on thinnings that you'd otherwise be using. I'd be keen to hear about other peoples experiences. We have the luxury of being on a profitable site for the landowner so this is being potentially considered.

Right, I've got my excavator mulcher mulching, but was wondering if anyone in the area had a full sized forestry mulcher? The kind that can demolish stumps too. Have a 5.5 hectare spruce clearfell to do, which Kingwells have quoted for, but it's not cheap.

That should be correct, though I cannot be certain as I've only made large purchases in the EU as a VAT registered business.

You will need to pay VAT on it unless you are VAT registered here. You simply supply your VAT number at the point of purchase and they will not charge you VAT at the point of sale. If Brexit happens, god only knows. You'll probably need to trade your first born and a night with your wife.

It's been very, very wet for the last 3 weeks here in Devon. Rain every day. Cutting up on Exmoor at the moment, and must have had 12-15 inches of rain in that time. Looking forward to the end of it.

I has been extensively thinned in the past. Perhaps slightly overthinned the last time, hence the 60 odd trees windblown. Lovely timber indeed. Fast grown but great form throughout. The odd tree we've had to do the first length as a 3.7m as I'd struggle to move a 4.9m. Not yet certain we'll mulch it, but do have a chap from Kingwell Holdings coming out on Thursday to quote to mulch it with a monster purpose built machine