Tony Croft aka hamadryad

thank you, Ive been meaning to start a thread deddicated to I. hispidus, shall work on that a bit later, it always fascinates me the differnces between fungi and location/species/environmental differences. Here it proves to be a fairly mutualy succseful relationship in many ash, not obviously that simple but you get my point.

true Gerrit, that hispidus is found on many other broadleaf species, but that doesnt alter the FACT that ash is its very much more common host and that on this host and on juglans too, it is responsible for loss of heavy limbs and subsequent re growth and retrenchments. So species specific actions, but non species specific host range?

why not, ammo? put any shots over my bow and prepare to receive returns!

Your digging a whole for sure, your doing work to trees without even diagnosing the cause of the lesions for a start, and making dangerous assumptions on the potential of the symptoms to be infectious. Im not suggesting I have the ultimate answer to this and a suitable treatment, but I certainly wouldnt be doing ANYTHING without first fully understanding what organisms and problems exist. I suggest you speak to Dr Olaf about how he is dealing with it. Guy, I dont like giving anyone a hard time, it makes me look like an arse, but you should know much better than this.

Hi all, anyone near seven sisters want to take on a small job:thumbup: for a friend of a friend so best behaviour and service required:biggrin:

yes they can, but only within limits, perennial and annual are very different!

Pruning as a natural co evolutionary process, and man as part of that process as an inclusion of the ecology of trees. Trees are pruned in nature by many forces, both biotic and abiotic, trees and fungi have co evolved throughout evolution, fungi no doubt present long before the trees. The fungi are quick to adapt to new resources, and have the capacity to breakdown ANY naturaly occurring compounds, even petro chemicals. It is simply absurd to assume that protection is possible, selection is another matter, for fungi need to posses the right enzymes in order to break down certain compounds. I have no doubt that trees produce various chemicals in order to protect celluar structure but that this protection is not absolute and in fact has evolved along with certain species specific macrofungi in order to "select" preferred species and so co evolution. There are many relationships in the tree fungi community that at first glance may sem highly one sided and negative in impact, this is however far from the truth. The relationship between trees and their species specific fungi, excluding non species specific "pathogens" is very complex and their ecologies are greatly interlinked. It is not in the species specific fungus own interests to kill the host, that is not a strategy for ultimate success, true success in nature requires mutual cooperation's or what Alan Rayner would call "Natural inclusion"naturally inclusive relationships" True pathogenesis is extremely rare in nature because it is a self defeating process that eliminates the host species, see dutch elm disease. Trees are primary producers, they also consume resources from the soil in order to make that product (sugar) they lock carbon up in their structures in huge quantities and convert the gas other organisms expire (carbon and convert it into oxygen) this is basic eco system cycling. If trees where able to avoid decay they would consume all the available resources and then die, they would be blind in their consumption (like us really) and die out as resources became limited. So the relationship between trees and fungi is quite simple in these terms, trees include fungi, and generally fungi don't consume more than they need. It is far from THAT simple but basically it is principle. If we understand this basic principle we can grasp that trees and fungi live in a stable but fluctuating relationship, if one or the other becomes too dominant they fall down and the other rises, this way balance within the forest ecosystem is maintained. There are many many different forms of relationship in this highly ordered but complex system, and it is all to easy to see only one side of the coin and develop a biassed view of the whole system. There are true pathogens, true symbiosis, and every shade of grey inbetween the two extremes. Co evolution is key in understanding the deeply complex relationships between fungi and trees. One such relationship that is easily observed and documented is the relationship between our Native Ash Fraxinus excelsior and the fungus responsible for its self pruning Inonotus hispidus, another in need of much research is the even more highly evolved relationship between our native white oaks Q robur/petrea and fistulina hepatica, both these fungi can appear at first glance to be highly negative. In one forestry journal this negative impact was desribed as "collateral damage via Inonotus hispidus" this is highly detrimental wording and shows a fundamental error in our collective understanding of the complex relationships trees have with thier species specific macrofungi. We seem to be very slow in adapting our views on these relationships, with a forestry commission article perpetuating such mis perceptions it is no surprise:confused1: I shall add images shortly but wanted to get the typing done before tea!

Hi all, due to reasons I wont go into Ive started this thread for a link back for images I am unable to show on UKTC so that I can link to them in specific relation to threads on the UKTC forum, feel free to discuss, but its more for that other purpose. I will say this, you lot are pussy cats compared to that crowd!

so that was your photo, I remember it well, this bares no resemblance tothe current image, did you show me this tree when i was at your place?

feeble effort!

that elderid roller C/saver is sweeet! bugger more cash to find!

yes its the dyneema kit, has the strap and new metal ring bracket all bolts tools and booklet.

Waz, is this tree public accses? im down that way 12 may

Grade A nuts, well I am happy to be so!

It was visualy representing main arteries, hey ho, i tried.

the ooze seems infectious! oh boy

another piece of the chain:thumbup1:

ha ha, sounds like a right mess!

that will only define Pfiefferi in the case of perennial, or resi in the case of annual

as do I but when do roots that cross each other become girdles as opposed to grafts and soil locking points? great care will need to be taken in this route.

I lik to think of this invasive thing a different way. If we take an tree, especialy the sort we are going to "investigate" which will usualy be over mature and large, we find a tree that has begun to divide into sections, even if we cannot see those sections, we can visualise them. What I mean to say is that close to the base where forces and "channels" are at their highest magnitudes we will have a clear body language that tells us where to do the least harm. Here the hearts represent main arteries of sap and force flow, we should not drill here, even the surface wounds of picus are undesirable breaks in function. But at the white star points, the underlying tissues are becoming dysfunctional or have become so and eventualy will be decayed out in the years to come. We an do virtualy no harm whatsoever in this area.

I admire the skill and work, but these sort of enhanced images do nothing for me, I prefer the natural look.

Guy, I remain open as always, my hands and mind, "I see you" but how can you expect to treat these bleeds this way? what is your thinking, how did you come to the conclusion this would benifit the trees natural sealing proscess? why did you not just do soil amendments decompact ect?

he takes a little getting used to, but he is harmless really:lol:

looks perennial a section has been removed prior, this may be austral even pfeifferi, but the black remains behind do indicate a prior annual fruit? difficult call. pinned down i would go australe