Bermy

So who actually makes them...Climb Right (aka Spider manufacturing) or Stein? They are IDENTICAL!

Put a prussik on the cambium saver, slide it back towards the small ring side to choke the stem. Put a carabiner in the prussik to take the place of the large ring. Pass your climb line through as per normal, and you can descend double rope without the hassle of adding a fig 8. Just test whatever knot in the end of your climb line WILL pass through the Biner and still jam in the small ring to effect a retrieval...before you commit!

I JUST got a pair of 'Climb Right' spikes...they are identical to the Stein except the colour is not blue and there is a spider logo on the bottom of the foot plate in between the grippy treads. Lo and behold that wear pattern has started and I had them on for only an hr. I got mine with L pads and they cost $189...Dollars!

Almost nobody I sub for has a clue...I provide all kit, so I know the quality of the gear and have all the bits and bobs...if rigging then I include my part time groundie who knows how to run the ropes... Trucks, cranes, buckets extra if you don't provide your own...

Oh well...anybody go there in '86/'87 either? I was a Hortic then.

So, anybody here from Sept '05 ten weeker??? Hellloooooo......

I was getting a numb hand at the end of the day but it wasn't HAVS. It was an imbalance in muscle groups in my neck and upper back, pinching a nerve...2 months physio, loads of exercising...right as rain again. Thank goodness we have almost NO rules here...except when the landscrapers pinch my tree jobs and butcher the cr@p out of them...wish we had some regulations then...wait, I hear it coming like a train in the distance...licensing IS on the way! I really do pity you all...HSE, EU, on and on and on, we are going to get to set our own rules...I'll be sure to stay away from too much cr@p!

Hey what a great thread thanks! I teach CS 30/31 overseas in Bermuda as a Lantra instructor, one of the only international Lantra / NPTC outposts. I regularly mix up the speak / demo / practice teaching styles. I do believe we need to stop calling the technical/vocational learners 'not academic'...what they learn and practice is APPLIED academics as opposed to the mearly abstract. All our learners must grasp quite complicated concepts and must be able to visualize outcomes they need to produce and they must be able to produce them properly for the outcome to not kill them sometimes! I find when it comes to learning 'differences' and difficulties that the biggest stumbling block comes when interpreting chain ID charts. Sorting out the various 3/8"s and 3/8P, and multiple choices for .325 etc. etc. If someone has dyslexia, I would imagine that could be very difficult! For chain component ID and sharpening I have a set of those way oversize chain components that Oregon makes as teaching aids. MAkes a big difference! I also have cut up cylinders and heat sized pistons for examples, along with a load of mashed up bars, wrecked pawls, bearings and sprockets. The more you show, the better! One of my last group mentioned that a DVD would be useful at the start of the course, just to give an overview of things. I admit I've never asked about dyslexia, I more often get people who's first language is not English, so it doesn't matter if they can read or not, if they can't read English well! We have so far managed to get by, demonstrate, imitate, 1:1 practice...I often say when it comes to their NPTC assessment, don't worry if you can't remember the name of something, describe what it does! When I practice mock assessments if some bright spark reels off all the correct names of chain components, I'll check them by asking them, right, so what does it do, or what function does it serve? Thanks for your cartoon BTW, I'll use it next time and let you know what the group thinks.

Aptitude and attitude...along with knowing your limits, I've been working in the men's world for 20 years, landscaping and now tree work for the past 6...I can honestly say I've only ever had like four occasions in 20 years where some guy got out of line and was nasty, otherwise we all seem to get along just fine! Part of the trick is maintaining a modicum of femininity, (without resorting to pink hardhats) and having a healthy tolerance to 'guy talk'.

I'm interested in those lightweight type A's from SevSafe...but they don't come small enough! Does anybody sell 28" waist for midget climbers? BTW I'm not in the UK so don't need C's for anything!

So is everyone clear... the high price for your training is not up to NPTC, its up to the trainer and the assessment centre who figure out what they want/need to charge to make a go as a service provider business. CS 30 is about 40 pounds for the nptc registration...everything else is the training and assessment fee and it does vary! I deliver Lantra and nptc overseas, trainers and assessors are paid $65 per hour, we add $20 to cover admin costs...the nptc reg is over $80 because of the exchange rate, it takes time to process the registrations and mail stuff to the UK, so add a bit more....see where I'm going? You need to shop around for a good training price, AND check the pedigree of the trainers! As for the 4:1 it generally works...I can get everyone off the mark with the basics, then if I have a couple of muppets, have them together for a bit more detailed attention, and set tasks for the ones who are doing ok. It is a fine balance to know when to let someone go off and practice something you have demo'd and watched them do, knowing they'll be ok, and knowing who needs constant supervision. Every now and then someone comes along who has't got a clue and will never get it...had a couple of those, at least they got a Lantra cert of attendance, and left after three days a less dangerous operator. (just cs 30, they'd NEVER make it to 31!) I do emphasize that they now know the BASICS to keep them relatively safe , the speed, fluidity, and deeper understanding will only come with time and experience, but they HAVE to start somewhere!

Sooo...how did it go?

Attached a rigging pulley to the top of a norfolk pine, brought up the bull rope, put in the sink, attached the rope above the cut, back cut in and watched the whole thing sail to the ground trailing a nice tail of yellow rope...I had not put the rope through the pulley! Luckily the drop zone was not too critical, just wanted to be able to swing the bits back to the road directly into the truck.

I've been climbing in Butterfly for 5 years...I have a tree magic for spare, and am starting to break it in now and then. Once you get it adjusted it is VERY comfortable. The MAgic needs to have the leg loops set lower on your thighs than the B'fly otherwise um.. it 'pinches'. Dude, I'd spent the money and get the right equipment, no matter how much or how little you climb, you need to have decent, comfortable gear. It will make your job easier, not wiggling and chafing and pinching, one more thing not to distract you in our dangerous work world.

Small head here,,,My Vertex vent is too big, I had to add padding to the headband to get it to fit properly, Ecrin roc fits better but the earmuffs don't sit as well... I tried the Pacific kevlar over here in OZ...comparable in weight to the Ecrin, it sits VERY comfortably, comes in white, has a big vent on the crown, that opens and closes, the chin strap harness fits nicely too, comes with or without a peak...will take stihl muffs...I'm going to save up for one!