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" I have had a look trough it and I personally can’t see how the course is being miss sold. It is well described and the content is pertinent to the industry although some of the “blurb” might be a bit “over egged”. " Pretty much what I said....... I looked at the site and it has a bit of an unfinished feel to it....only a website but an important aspect of an organisations credibility I would have thought. It seems what...neglected...or something. I did note Colin's absence from the members list....b4 he said owt as it happens. Am I to assume his post is indicative of anything......? They are promoting a course that looks like it may have some value.....Lets not get our wires crossed>>>>>>>??

Try posting, with pics and description here... http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/fungi-forums/ Also a pretty extensive catalogue of uk species, albeit a bit cumbersome to navigate your way around....Tricky. Color and such can be very variable....it would only take a bit of soil/organic matter up there and you could be looking at a completely unsuspected species.....?

" i did the course more than a year ago .... " <><> Shabz, who d'ya do it with....?

"I would have thought it was anyone who can pay. It is a revenue stream after all. " I suppose so. It would go someway to explaining Tony's observation but I would think it is likely to be counterproductive in the longer term to "mis-sell " a course...

You must be joking !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Apparently.....I had to laugh at "TPO"....Totally pissed off...( previous thread )

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"# Thanks for a great course. I thoroughly enjoyed it - and it's all the better for passing the assignment! Colin " I lifted this from the CAS site....Colin Bashford maybe....??

" specifically those who should attend are Consultants, Tree Officers, Contract Managers Landscape Architects, Chartered Foresters and indeed Lecturers and Trainers. " Its pretty clear who the CAS believe it to be aimed at....... "The Workshop will carry a CAS / UKI Certificate of completion once the assignment has been handed in and graded " This what makes you think its aimed at isa cert arbs...?

Christ man...I wear mine all day every day.....Soooo easy to back off the lacing and away you go....but it wears them alot faster I'd go with nods suggestion mate......

Anyone attended this little beauty.....like the way its billed as THE most important qual you'll ever own...!? If so. what do you know about it...good? Expensive? Taken from Consulting Arborists Society:closedeyes: Tree Preservation Orders - a Practical Guide to Working Within the System 26th February 2009 The most frequently failed domain in the UKI Arborists Certification Examination is No. 14 Statutory Protection for Trees That says it all, candidates most often fail in the one domain that is unique to the UK Arborists Certification examination. This implies either practitioners are not up to speed with TPOs or the teaching of this area is poor or the marking in inaccurate! This workshop will provide an invaluable guide to how the TPO system works in reality. It will cover all aspects from creation and service through objections, exemptions to applications for consent. The programme will cover the legal and policy framework in detail and provide invaluable guidance for practicing Arboriculturists and allied professionals who use the system. Content * What is a TPO (Principles and actuality) * The Policy Framework and Appraisals * How to select trees for inclusion; * Creation & Service (covering all the usual errors and mistakes); * How to object to a TPO (reasons and approach including a template); * How to make an application (with humorous examples) * Administration of TPOs (again with humorous examples); * Exemptions and specifically the impact of Perrin v Northampton; * Consents and conditions; * Appeals; * Up to date digital approach, the Planning Portal and One-App; * A TPO Assignment based on a real case; * Trees in Conservation Areas; * Possible changes to the system in the future This workshop is for anyone who comes into contact with TPOs on a regular basis. Effectively the whole of the industry. Specifically those who should attend are Consultants, Tree Officers, Contract Managers Landscape Architects, Chartered Foresters and indeed Lecturers and Trainers. This is a not to be missed opportunity to get up to speed with TPOs The Workshop will carry a CAS / UKI Certificate of completion once the assignment has been handed in and graded and continuing license holders will get regular updates as changes happen. This therefore represents a way to get all of the information that you need to confidently work with TPO's and the means to keep up to date with changes in the future.

They are a bit cheaper here mate...! http://www.outdoorwarehouse.co.uk/index.cfm?action=shop.detail&product=croda-gtx&pid=775CC371-FF29

Michael Brightman from The Tree Care Company.....devised what he calls "RHA " A system devised and released in 2006 I think.... http://www.treecarecompany.net/risk.html Anyone here used it and if so, was it an effective model? ( Treeminder by Pear technology use this in software applications for arboriculturalists )

"The above image is taken from the mapmaker site - it alters the shape of the RPA quite nicely, by extending the arc away from the barrier, whilst maintaining the overall area. " "Any way, it’d be nice to have some software that drew the odd shaped canopies on AutoCAD rather than doing them manually. " If map maker can do the rpa then why not the canopies.....? Just reading the Pear Technologies blurb...it states that PT-Mapper Pro calculates to 4 compass points...so then it will draw eccentric canopy outline surely....Anyone know?

" Doesn't look natural but is it right to really talk about "natural" " I think we talk about natural...as in nature. If left to their own devices a tree will grow and exhibit whats termed as "habit " They go to great lengths to maintain an upright form with maximum exposure to light and in competition with others...and with the minimum of wasted resources( energy ) Axiom of Uniform stress and "self-optimisation" ensures its successful design in nature....yeah, we can say natural as far as I 'm concerned.....in that we can see " unnatural "......±

A proper job indeed !

" plane trees and clay soils- after 2nd or 3rd time root systems accellorated their growth and then theres a problem with buildings etc. " This is confirmed by the investigations of Biddle ( I think ) the foremost expert in this aspect of urban tree interactions ( uk ) It was found, and you can correct me if I get this wrong please, that the regrowth from pollards requires more water than if they had been left....the roots themselves do not cause the damage but is the result of the clay soils shrinking and rewetting due to water usage anomalies....caused by the demands from tree growth (cell division) and leaf opening ( water pressure required )....Transpiration and then dormancy....(?) This causes " heave " Monkeyd will know about this I'm sure as the LTOA are concerned with clay soils and the interactions of trees, soils, foundations and management strategies...Oh no...the pollard thread again..help!!

That does seem to change it somewhat....As I posted b4, it is not like this if you do the course with Treelife...David Dowson designed the course I was informed and delivers the 3 day workshop. As each fungus, type of decay, strategy and where/when it appears on the tree is relevant to tree inspection, it is included. 4 x fungus= 20% therefore each fungus=5%.......no big thing really! I did question Treelife about this aspect of the technical award and feel that the nature of the assessment was as necessary as it was sensible in its format. Perhaps you should take up the issue with LANTRA or the providers if it has not been delivered properly:ohmy:

Scarpa ascent...a boldering boot...but dont let that put you off.....I bought a pair for tree work and strangely used them boldering out of the box...They are designed to tie up tight round the toe....in the way the climbing ( rock boots ) are......As a rock climber b4 tree work, you will get used to the tight fit... we used to reckon..." no pain, no gain " in the early "eb's".....They are very flexible really....worthwhile imo but they wear out quite quiclky.....I thought Scarpa has dropped them from their catalogue...?

"proper job, pollarding has nothing to do with asthetics. Pat on the back from me. Give it a few years and they will be lovely. " Funny....Every spring they seem to return to remove the regrowth from the bole...ensuring I get a nice. bald stick out side my house......!!

Suggest you look into the origin of pollarding then bro...nuff said!

Right outside my house....on the roundabout. Three trees share the roundabout...a focal point for the "kids" whu....two very modest trees (ornamental stature...only ) and a semi mature/mature willow. This area has been heavily developed in the last 2yrs. A massive new school ( 1 of 4 in Norwich over the last 4 yrs I understand ) Any number of new residential buildings and sheltrered housing schemes. None of which puts any pressure, whatsoever , on the tree in question. The willow. A focal point...only a willow but I liked it. It leant some grandeur to the street where people otherwise park where they want..( ie the verge and every tree root zone going ) ok, enough. Why then pollard it at a time in its life when, and as is happening, in a space of 3yrs, the roots are throwing up epicorm in a panic and the bark around the knuckle is necrotic as hell...its killed it. The only decent tree we had. ( imo) Panic management 'cos they thought it would fall down? Based on what? Suckling Avenue, another example where a whole avenue, built in the...dunno, 40-50's, wide and proud and in red bricks...nice residential area. The whole lot virtually, pollarded... both sides of the street. Robinias..nice and prickly...nice job for the climber I'm sure. Fine, once done, they need maintaining but I fail to understand the reasons/thinking behind continuing the process on younger semi-mature stock which before this year, I figured might eventually replace the pollards as they eventually become beyond retaining...Wrong...they then hammered the feck out of these too. Not even any attempt at retaining a scaffold branch structure from which to nuture a pollard...Its just careless imo and the result of what? Id really like to know cos it gets my goat!! I will just add that there has been a number of new plantings in Suckling Avenue...good looking work by all appearances although I did not get out of my car to see what species...... Anyone care to bet that, should they make it past establishment they get....ok...I think you know where that was going!!

(that's even if you could afford it!) So, they are expensive whatever and replacing doesnt solve the problem you reckon... I have to say that it is a bad idea to pollard then but as times and places change their dimensions, what once seemed a good idea becomes a stone around your neck....? Thank you for posting Tony as it makes better sense than John's post...for me anyway. How do you explain the norwich councils pollarding of trees with developed crowns where no apparent conflict exists with environment...?

I use TI insurance Would you care to put that in English...? Relax bro, its just a report...the world does not depend on it and you want to try and remember this simple one word idea...Reasonable....cheers

its humans that changed the circumstances to lead to risk being managed Exactly right mate.....

"Yeah that's a reasonable approach! Really?" I thought I was gonna be able to argue my way out of that but see on reflection it is not going to happen. Period. What I think I meant was that statistics are not the be all and end all so to speak. Where people and industry have come into contact with trees and where for the sake of argument tree roots have been trounced, perhaps unknowingly, there can be no argument surely that a professionals input and understanding of the implications from his/her investigations and subsequent risk/hazard evaluation, which constitutes a notion if not real management, is an effective part of assessing and so reducing a potential risk. BTW,I dont like potential danger with trees..iys dangerous or its not....? "you'd blithely ignore it and still prescribe demonstratably unnessecary works anyway" Like I say, I agree with your view and understand that much of what is regarded as tree risk management is perhaps spurious and undermines the purpose and " mission statement " if you will....demonstably unnecesary?...? presumably on account of their being no incident...... "Yeah that's a reasonable approach! Really? " Actually, maybe it is...how else, it strikes me, can you fulfil a " passive " management strategy........think about it!!