Jason James Gairn

You wish

The bandit class will eventually die out after one generation as it will not be a sustainable way of life. We will have to baton down the hatches and wait for the storm to pass. I 'm looking for a bigger property now to develop a self sufficient home. i was brought up on a small holding on Exmoor so I have some knowledge, such things are not taught in schools, so it's down to my wife and I to teach our kids to survive. We did tickling trout at the weekend in Devon. Haven't done that for twenty years.Yum.

What were you in for? Or are you guessing?

This thread is getting surreal. Help.

7 million people in London will migrate out and beyond the home counties and meet those coming from Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool etc. coming the other way. I have friends who predicted the last 5 years of the worlds economies. they moved to France to grow sustainable willow and build wind turbines. He used to work for BP as a geologist, she was a financial analyst at the bank of england. I guess they were well positioned to make valued judgments. New Zealand would probably be a good bet to escape the transitional period. If the British isles was divided equally amongst the population we would all get 4.8 meters squared each. seems pretty crazy. But feel free to check the maths.

Following the logic of Peak oil, when society breaks down and we return to an age before the industrial revolution. We will have transferable skills. Those in I.T. will be at a loss though.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUW1SGF7bR8&feature=related[/ame] Sorry Pete, don't mean to be flippant after such a profound post, but thought we should have some rock n roll to calm things down. Also I need time to wrap my mind around it.

Double what??

I guess by `the planet' you mean literally the planet. In which case they don't on that scale. There has been some talk about carbon emissions from the burning of the fuel from the petrochemical industry. I use plastics all the time as most of us do, so what i was saying is that I'm not anti oil. especially as the statement is meaningless as saying someone is anti iron or anything else coming from the ground. I don't suppose we have the same definition of the word `death'. Or `long way off' either. Peak oil isn't about the end of oil, or the death of oil (that, that does not live cannot die) but about the cost of extraction. The more difficult something is to get out of the ground the more expensive it becomes. At some point it will become financially prohibitive. if we accept this, then the next stage is to ask when? Why not now? When do you think peak oil will happen? Most importantly why then? But you know all this Dagmar, I'm surprised lee hasn't taken peak oil to his conspiracy heart.

There is no true nature, there is no purpose to be known. Suggesting that it can be known, is folly. Such a suggestion can be hubristic in itself.

Lee I could not ever claim to be `anti oil', it would be an odd standpoint for anyone to take. here is part of an article I found which shows what i mean. I'm definately for cheaper fuel, infact i'm for free fuel. Where fuel doesn't mean petrochemicals. Isn't everyone a bit greener these days? I'm not in denial about the state of the world. yes, I think we should save the planet too. It is often forgotten by many people that plastic products are based on petroleum. A glance around any room will show how pervasive they are. There are many other oil-based household objects. The following is a list of just some products that may disappear with oil. Air conditioners, ammonia, anti-histamines, antiseptics, artificial turf, asphalt, aspirin, balloons, bandages, boats, bottles, bras, bubble gum, butane, cameras, candles, car batteries, car bodies, carpet, cassette tapes, caulking, CDs, chewing gum, cold, combs/brushes, computers, contacts, cortisone, crayons, cream, denture adhesives, deodorant, detergents, dice, dishwashing liquid, dresses, dryers, electric blankets, electrician’s tape, fertilisers, fishing lures, fishing rods, floor wax, footballs, glues, glycerin, golf balls, guitar strings, hair, hair colouring, hair curlers, hearing aids, heart valves, heating oil, house paint, ice chests, ink, insect repellent, insulation, jet fuel, life jackets, linoleum, lip balm, lipstick, loudspeakers, medicines, mops, motor oil, motorcycle helmets, movie film, nail polish, oil filters, paddles, paint brushes, paints, parachutes, paraffin, pens, perfumes, petroleum jelly, plastic chairs, plastic cups, plastic forks, plastic wrap, plastics, plywood adhesives, refrigerators, roller-skate wheels, roofing paper, rubber bands, rubber boots, rubber cement, rubbish bags, running shoes, saccharine, seals, shirts (non-cotton), shoe polish, shoes, shower curtains, solvents, spectacles, stereos, sweaters, table tennis balls, tape recorders, telephones, tennis rackets, thermos, tights, toilet seats, toners, toothpaste, transparencies, transparent tape, TV cabinets, typewriter/computer ribbons, tyres, umbrellas, upholstery, vaporisers, vitamin capsules, volleyballs, water pipes, water skis, wax, wax paper Of course, these products will not all disappear with the decline of oil – some existed before plastic was even discovered. Boats, for instance, were made of wood for thousands of years but their construction requires for more skill than glassfibre and maintenance is higher. And all that extra wood will have to be grown somewhere. Remember that, a hundred years ago before oil dominated society, the world population was 1.6 billion as against today's 6.5 billion. We also owned far less and prices of goods were generally higher (allowing for inflation). We are used to everything being cheap and freely available. Like oil itself, it is not that these things will disappear but that their costs will soar. Our present lifestyle will inevitably change.

The Home country for the Gairn clan. Great place. love it.

Look out Mr. Frodo!

I thought the point I was making was obvious. I was replying to points made previously by Chistreeroot Lee and Mr Ed. The point I was making was that people tend to blame the weakest (financially, physically and politically) for their woes. I was trying to encourage a more pragmatic approach to blame. At the same time as pointing out the usual hypocrisy found in Christianity. I agree with you about de-centralized government to a point, but it does encourage a ghettoized society if taxation is not more centralized. I'm not advocating unadulterated redistribution of wealth, but I do believe that those who have should look after those who don't (have wealth power motivation intellect advantage etc). A philosophy I had been lead to believe was rife within the Christian church. I was mislead. What's this all got to do with the petition to reduce the cost of fuel? Well I think everything is connected in a string theory kind of way, but I'm not wholly responsible for the slight derailment. Clear? As mud.

Care to clarify your feelings on this matter with respect to fuel prices/petition/tax and the language you use. Your post was misleading as it seemed you were attacking the poorest, sorry didn't understand that no hopers meant the rich and advantaged, didn't know that dead wood meant tax evaders and corporate criminals. It wasn't clear. I thought you meant asylum seekers and benefit claimers. My mistake. Apologies.

Not sure your right about that Lee. I think they `have time' for all peoples. Especially the disadvantaged. When a persons consiousness expands through mystical devotion, it increases compassion and empathy for all of creation. This is the way for the enlightened being. I am in no way suggesting I am enlightened. It's good to have goals though. So if I get the thrust of things on this forum right; diesel is expensive because there are too many poor people?

feel the love. Sufi? not!

Hello there I think you'll find that being a Christian is in fact all about love. Love and Compassion. Point me in the direction of the head of your church, I'll ask them to confirm it for you. Or I can send you a bible. I have not attacked you at every opportunity. Only when your beliefs seem to contradict each other. Please stop suggesting I am attacking you. You and your beliefs seem very susceptible to the slightest of conflicts. It was you that attacked the weak and poor. Can you not see the lack of Christian charity in your post? If I was on record as being communist and then went on to say how much profit i made today, I would expect someone to pick me up on it. I would not call it an attack, we would then discuss the alleged hypocrisy. French golden delicious?

What does w00t mean?

I thought you were a Christian? I see the compassion that Christ preached hasn't rubbed off on you then? Is it OK to call people in a less advantaged position no hopers or dead weight? The hypocrisy of Christianity is smacking me right in the face here. State benefits are there as a cushion. Some people on benefits are scoundrels for sure, but the great proportion of them need the benefits they receive. Drop me into any town in any part of the UK and by the end of the day I would have a job and a roof over my head. This is because I am resourceful and able bodied, a good work ethic was nurtured in me by my parents. I also happen to be a well spoken amiable white man. Not everyone is the same. Are the wheelchair bound no hopers or dead weight, are the mentally challenged dead weight no hopers? The long term unemployed `scroungers' are so few in number, the amount of money they sponge off us is insignificant compared to the tax evaders, the tax dodgers and the off shore tax havens that have been denying this country revenue. But it's always the weakest that get picked on, time and time again, last time I looked that was the activity of bullies. We should not look down to see who is harming our tax system but up at the captains of industry, who have stolen from us. Anyone know anyone who has tried to evade tax? Name and shame the real bandits. I/we are white males in a western democracy, it is not becoming for us to be so judgmental, when we are so privileged. Hey Christreeroot! I'm the godless atheist here. How do you like them apples?

just checked out more of his stuff on you tube. effin brilliant!! once again thanks MB

Never heard of him before. He had me in stitches (does that translate into yank?) IMO he nailed it right there. He looks like he could be your brother MB. Top!

What kit do we need to have one of those at the shows?

At the real risk of getting my head banged against my VHS collection of the money programme; is it not one of a governments remits to raise money through taxation? Government coffers are our coffers are they not? Isn't taxation the way we afford our way of life? I'm sure we all have our own ideas on how the money can be spent. isn't it the existence of so many disparate ideas the reason that taxation is as high as it is? My waste is your viable policy etc. Do you have a better system? I'd happily pay more income tax if it resulted in zero homeless, better NHS care, education etc etc. I like tax!

Do you mean `Great Britain' or great (sic) Britain? Has there ever been a great Britain? IMO we have yet to achieve a `greatness'. I live in hope. Not sure I would put `powerful' at the top of my list of Governmental attributes to achieve it though. Intelligent, compassionate, representative, long sighted, fair minded or courageous amongst many others, might come first. Depends on your definition of `great' I guess.