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Are you suggesting that moderate Muslims, who Dave approves of, don't call out the wrong-ones in our community on purpose? Or could it be that the wrong-ones operate under the radar of normal people? FYI: The Catholic and Anglican Church still hide dodgy clergy.

"The point I want to make is that there are extremes on all sides and they should equally be regarded as the threat they are."

I'm not buying what you're selling, Dave.

No one is saying that the radical Islamic nutjobs aren't utter shitehawks. The point I want to make is that there are extremes on all sides and they should equally be regarded as the threat they are.

No, it clearly isn't: Radicalised people are invariably evil sorts, it doesn't matter which side of a coin they are on. Violent crime stemming from the steadfast belief in a 'Supremacist' ideology isn't a good thing.

Do you think that the far right are good sorts? To answer your question - Not as many as other radical groups (yet) but they're still a significant threat: Overview of Far-Right Terror and Violence in the UK Far-right terrorism and violence have become a significant and evolving threat in the UK, with attacks, plots, and hate crimes linked to extreme right-wing ideologies. The nature of this threat has shifted over time, moving from organised groups to a more dispersed, online-driven phenomenon, often involving self-initiated individuals. Key Statistics and Trends Number of Attacks: Between 1999 and 2022, there were 14 attacks in the UK linked to extreme right-wing ideology, with all but two carried out by individuals rather than organised groups5. Recent Attacks: Since 2017, three far-right terrorist attacks have occurred in the UK: 2017: Darren Osborne drove a van into worshippers outside Finsbury Park Mosque in London, killing one and injuring ten64. 2019: A white supremacist stabbed a man in Stanwell, Surrey, a day after the Christchurch attacks6. 2022: A 66-year-old man attacked an immigration centre in Dover using fire, injuring two staff members6. Disrupted Plots: Since 2017, UK authorities have disrupted 37 “late stage” terror plots, with about one-third linked to the extreme far-right2. Arrests and Prosecutions: Hundreds of arrests have been made in connection with far-right riots and violence, particularly following high-profile incidents such as the Southport stabbings in July 2024, which triggered coordinated far-right unrest in at least 20 towns and cities1. Prevent Referrals: Referrals to the UK’s Prevent programme for individuals of all ages relating to the extreme far-right increased by 35% from April 2016 to March 2022. Among those aged 51-60 and 61+, referrals increased by 109% and 58%, respectively, peaking in 2020-212. Nature and Characteristics of Far-Right Violence Attack Methods: Most far-right attacks in the UK have involved low-sophistication methods, such as vehicles, knives, blunt force weapons, or arson564. Targets: Attacks and violence have primarily targeted minority groups (especially Muslims and Jews), government sites, media organisations, and others perceived as opposed to far-right worldviews54. Demographics: While authorities often focus on young men as the main risk group, recent completed attacks have predominantly been carried out by older men (over 47), although disrupted plots have included younger individuals2. Online Radicalisation: The threat is increasingly driven by online spaces, with far-right ideologues using social media and websites to radicalise and mobilise individuals, including minors548. Broader Context and Hate Crime Hate Crime Trends: Hate crimes, often linked to far-right extremism, saw a 5% decrease in police-recorded incidents in England and Wales in 2022/23, the first drop since 2013. However, spikes occur during periods of geopolitical tension, such as after the Israel-Hamas conflict in 2023 or the Southport stabbings in 20247. Violent Disorder: Far-right riots and violent protests have affected at least 20 UK towns and cities since July 2024, with violence directed at properties, buildings, and individuals, particularly Muslims1. Government Response Proscription of Groups: Since 2016, the UK has banned five extreme right-wing terrorist groups, all holding white supremacist ideologies6. MI5 Involvement: In 2018, MI5 took over responsibility for countering extreme right-wing terrorism, reflecting its growing significance alongside Islamist terrorism5. Public Concern: As of August 2024, 73% of Britons expressed concern about right-wing extremism, up 11 percentage points since March 20245. Summary Table: Key Far-Right Terrorism Statistics (UK) Metric Statistic/Detail Attacks (1999-2022) 14, mostly by individuals5 Recent Attacks (since 2017) 3 (Finsbury Park 2017, Stanwell 2019, Dover 2022)6 Disrupted Plots (since 2017) 37, ~1/3 linked to far-right2 Prevent Referrals (2016-22) +35% overall; +109% (51-60); +58% (61+)2 Proscribed Groups (since 2016) 5 (all white supremacist)6 Public Concern (Aug 2024) 73% worried about right-wing extremism5 Hate Crime (2022/23) 5% decrease from previous year7 Towns/Cities Affected (2024) 20+ by far-right riots/disorder1 Conclusion Extreme right-wing terrorism and violence remain a persistent and evolving threat in the UK. While the overall number of attacks is lower than other forms of terrorism, the threat is significant, with a trend toward self-initiated, low-tech attacks, and a growing role for online radicalisation. Public concern is high, and authorities continue to adapt their response as the threat landscape shifts561.

He's in jail because he's a shitehawk who got found out. He's fleeced his supporters out of thousands of pounds, and he's also occasionally a useful figurehead for the far right. That's it. He's not St.George.

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You seem to be equating Hamas with ordinary Palestinians.

Do you think the Israelis ongoing response to the Hamas attack is appropriate?

So you agree that proportionality does have its place in warfare? Thanks for that. Have a good day.

Why should we (UK) have a ground army when we could just use our nukes?

That wasn't aimed at you, it would still have gone over your head even if it was.

Were the Nazis right to try to exterminate the Jews?. If you believe there is no proportionality in war.

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Ha! Good news for Tommeh! Subscribe to read WWW.FT.COM Judges rule there is no basis to reduce 18-month jail term on health grounds Tommy Robinson loses appeal bid after claiming prison is ‘making him ill’ WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK The far-right figure, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, is being held in segregation at HMP Woodhill where he is allowed four hours of social phone calls each day The melt is allowed 4hrs on the phone a day? That's a boot-ton of phonecards.

HSE reckon that the first port of call should be a MEWP. Which is impractical for most people. Then you have to justify aerial works, with two ropes, which is probably safer than one on rare occasions. I personally think that if you're going to goose your main line and your strop you're probably best on the ground. But I didn't get where I am today. Also, most the climbers I know got into tree work because they like climbing trees, they don't necessarily like riding MEWP's.

Would it shite. It would be one of the very worst things that could happen. What makes you personally think it would be a "good start", and what would it be a "good start" towards?

It's a genocide. Do you really reckon that's a proportionate way to treat everyday practising Muslims? The conflict following Hamas's October 7, 2023, attack on Israel has resulted in catastrophic loss of life in Gaza and the West Bank. As of March 23, 2025, over 50,021 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza alone, with 113,274 injured, according to Gaza’s Ministry of Health5. This figure does not include an estimated 11,000 missing individuals presumed dead under rubble5. In the West Bank, at least 1,004 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces as of January 20252. Proportion of Hamas members among casualties Israel claims its operations target Hamas militants, but independent analyses and UN data highlight a disproportionate civilian toll. Gaza’s Ministry of Health reports that 70% of the dead are women and children5, with 17,000 children killed as of March 20256. A Lancet study estimates indirect deaths (e.g., from disease, starvation) could push the total death toll beyond 186,0005. While Israel asserts "precision" targeting, no independent verification of Hamas affiliation among casualties exists. Analysts argue the scale of civilian deaths and infrastructure destruction—including 65,000 homes and 370 schools—suggests indiscriminate tactics15. Children killed At least 17,400 Palestinian children have been killed since October 2023, with 15,600 identified by name6. Since Israel resumed strikes on March 18, 2025, an average of 100 children have been killed or injured daily3. Over 9,500 Palestinian minors are currently detained in Israeli prisons, with reports of torture and neglect3. Video of IDF attacking paramedics A March 23, 2025, Israeli attack on a marked medical convoy near Rafah killed 15 paramedics, including eight from the Palestine Red Crescent. Video evidence shows Israeli forces firing on ambulances with emergency lights active47. The UN has called for an independent investigation, citing potential war crimes7. Footage of the incident can be viewed here: YouTube link4. The humanitarian toll continues to escalate, with 1.9 million Palestinians displaced and widespread starvation reported due to Israel’s blockade15. International courts are investigating allegations of genocide and war crimes35.

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