Is there a lack of groundman?

[Timber Man]

Simple answer-cost of living varies region to region.

Cost of living in london is higher than for example leeds,so companies/subbies/workers expect/charge more for those areas.

I can get 100 quid a day sub contract climbing in Glasgow area,thats all my own kit/PPE/fuel.

Transfere that to the south of england i could get 150.

 

I work in the south most of the time, but my rate still applies to the north when I work there.

50% difference in rates is quite a big difference.

[swinny]

£120 - £140 Mick

 

Is that for specifically just a groundy? As you say a spot on reduction, is this just eyes from the floor or climbing?

[eggsarascal]

Is that for specifically just a groundy? As you say a spot on reduction, is this just eyes from the floor or climbing?

 

I think this is where you are missing the point. The rate is the rate, whatever trade.

 

When I'm subbing I could be xxx feet down the hole, or doing straight forward servicing work with a test meter and a few screwdrivers, either way it's the same rate.

[swinny]

I think this is where you are missing the point. The rate is the rate, whatever trade.

 

When I'm subbing I could be xxx feet down the hole, or doing straight forward servicing work with a test meter and a few screwdrivers, either way it's the same rate.

 

No the way ive ever had it. Always a clear divide between climbing and grounding wages.

 

And just to add i am and always have been a climber that comes down and drags brash and shifts the logs and clears up well. Treating gear with respect as i would if it was my own

[eggsarascal]

No the way ive ever had it. Always a clear divide between climbing and grounding wages.

 

And just to add i am and always have been a climber that comes down and drags brash and shifts the logs and clears up well. Treating gear with respect as i would if it was my own

 

If I was to ring you and ask your day rate as a subbie what would the answer be?

 

I had a lad from Arbtalk take down a tree for me a while back, he told me what his day rate was and we had a deal, I'm pretty sure if I said it was dragging brash his day rate wouldn't have been any less.

[swinny]

If I was to ring you and ask your day rate as a subbie what would the answer be?

 

I had a lad from Arbtalk take down a tree for me a while back, he told me what his day rate was and we had a deal, I'm pretty sure if I said it was dragging brash his day rate wouldn't have been any less.

 

Depends on climbing or grounding.

 

What do you not get? Its very simple.

 

If you ground then you dont climb as there will be a climber there, these thigs are sorted out beforehand, called organisation.

 

If grounding you work with the climber and feed the chipper and run the ropes and clear up.

 

If climbing you go up the tree and climb... With me so far? Bring your own climbing gear, saw and fuel, then once dissmantled you put your kit away and help the lads on the ground.

[stihlmadasever]

If I was to ring you and ask your day rate as a subbie what would the answer be?

 

I had a lad from Arbtalk take down a tree for me a while back, he told me what his day rate was and we had a deal, I'm pretty sure if I said it was dragging brash his day rate wouldn't have been any less.

 

Aint necessarily so eggs,i would charge less for grounding than climbing.

Although it would vary according to the individual involved

[swinny]

Aint necessarily so eggs,i would charge less for grounding than climbing.

Although it would vary according to the individual involved

 

Thank god for some sence here. Glad theres some sane people about!

[simonm]

I think the problem is a lack of people wanting to work full stop, advertising as part time seems to drag in the dregs, getting subbies isn't cost effective, get someone on the books a months worth of work and their wages ppe etc is paid up for the year, it goes to reduce your year end and means that you have always got someone when you need them. When work slackens off send them log splitting while you rustle up more work. In your eyes nobody will be as good as you, or work as efficiently but as long as you get somebody with half a brain who is willing to work you've cracked it.

[swinny]

I think the problem is a lack of people wanting to work full stop, advertising as part time seems to drag in the dregs, getting subbies isn't cost effective, get someone on the books a months worth of work and their wages ppe etc is paid up for the year, it goes to reduce your year end and means that you have always got someone when you need them. When work slackens off send them log splitting while you rustle up more work. In your eyes nobody will be as good as you, or work as efficiently but as long as you get somebody with half a brain who is willing to work you've cracked it.

 

Is that the way you've gone Simon as i know you where one of the guys after a lad not so long ago. Its like pullin teeth isnt it