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[Oldfeller]

[sime42]

11 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Where was this claim made 42, breaking the NHS ?? 
Old habits die hard with you it seems. 
I seem to recollect it was more along the lines of what care asylum/ illegals were entitled to upon arrival. I’m pretty sure screenshots of BMA and Gov documents were posted up to back up the facts. 

 

I'm pretty certain that you implied it. You have a record of blaming bad stuff on "illegals" and any other kind of "others". You really really need to comprehend the difference between legal and illegal immigrants. 

 

Since that was the only point you picked up on, hopefully that means you agreed with everything else. So there aren't many illegal immigrants in UK hospitals, and they're not breaking the NHS. Maybe we can find some common ground, some consensus on why it is failing so badly. Obesity, creeping privatisation, piss poor management, a broken social care system, an aging and increasingly unhealthy population. Do you disagree with any of those, or any other possible causes to add to the list?

 

On a lighter note - dinner! What did you have last night, did you enjoy it?

 

 

 

 

[Johnsond]

6 minutes ago, sime42 said:

I'm pretty certain that you implied it 

No I did not 😂😂😂Absolute bollocks and you know it. 
The other very dubious claims were addressed in the deliberately sarcastic post I put up. 

[sime42]

What dubious claims? 

 

You didn't answer the question again btw  Blagger. If you don't agree with my suggestions as to why the NHS is breaking then say so. Ideally come up with some other ideas. We've established that it's not because of illegal immigrants at least. 

 

 

[Johnsond]

24 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Since that was the only point you picked up on, hopefully that means you agreed with everything else

Did you and SP go to the same school of BS lad, did they teach you that if someone ignores your bollocks claims then that silence is the equivalent of agreement!!! 😂😂😂😂 

[Johnsond]

5 minutes ago, sime42 said:

What dubious claims? 

 

You didn't answer the question again btw  Blagger. If you don't agree with my suggestions as to why the NHS is breaking then say so. Ideally come up with some other ideas. We've established that it's not because of illegal immigrants at least. 

 

 

😂😂😂 I answered you and you know it, facts posted up from  BMA and Gov to support the point I made about the care offered to certain groups( which was what my original post was about) 
I have no interest in your suggestions as to why the NHS is not performing that’s who I’m not replying. Sorry if that disappoints you 42. 
You’ve established what by the way ?? 
 

[sime42]

7 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Did you and SP go to the same school of BS lad, did they teach you that if someone ignores your bollocks claims then that silence is the equivalent of agreement!!! 😂😂😂😂 

 

No Blagger. You're not known for ignoring things that you don't agree with, au contraire in fact. Nor do I believe that you have no interest in why the NHS is not performing. I think that you have an aversion to finding common ground with some people, for some reason.

 

No more BS, time for straight talking. This isn't Arsetalk. Is the NHS failing because of illegal immigrants? Yes or No.  

 

 

[Johnsond]

6 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

No Blagger. You're not known for ignoring things that you don't agree with, au contraire in fact. Nor do I believe that you have no interest in why the NHS is not performing. I think that you have an aversion to finding common ground with some people, for some reason.

 

No more BS, time for straight talking. This isn't Arsetalk. Is the NHS failing because of illegal immigrants? Yes or No.  

 

 

Time for straight talking 😂😂😂Blagger 😂😂 I’m more open and honest than is probably required in reality, that’s a good one 42, nice try lad. 
Dont get angry sweetie just because I’m not interested in going down the question question question question no answer is good enough route you are well known for. 
My original post was regarding the fairness or sustainability of a system where someone can get the same treatment after arriving illegally having never contributed a penny as a person who has worked and contributed their entire life. I backed that up with information from the BMA and Gov sites. You obviously are struggling to come to terms with that as you often do when confronted with facts. 
 

What direction are you attempting to take this now” why is the NHS failing “ is that your new line of questioning?? 

 

[Steven P]

8 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

What direction are you attempting to take this now” why is the NHS failing “ is that your new line of questioning?? 

 

Use your reading skills, you forgot to read the last part of the question:

 

"Is the NHS failing because of illegal immigrants?"

 

Though this summary might interest you, referencing migrants and the NHS:

 

From: "https://www.health.org.uk/features-and-opinion/blogs/immigration-and-the-nhs-the-evidence"
- based on GP registrations and hospital data in England from 2003 to 2006 – found that, in the years following arrival to the UK, migrants used inpatient hospital services around half as much as UK-born residents of the same age and gender.
- the same Migration Advisory Committee report on EEA migration from 2018 found ‘no evidence that migration has reduced the quality of healthcare'
- Immigrants should not be blamed for the pressures in A&E and other parts of the NHS. The reasons behind these pressures – unsurprisingly – are far more complex: a mix of growing and changing population health needs, chronic workforce shortages, a decade of austerity in funding for the NHS and other public services, and many other factors. What is clear, however, is that the health and care system depends on its international staff to help fix the mess it’s in.

 

 

and for illegal immigrants, From BMJ: Despite clear NHS guidance, in July 2021, .... findings showing that undocumented migrants face major barriers in accessing primary care with 62% of GP surgeries incorrectly refusing to register patients... most do not register for a GP.. which is hardly overwhelming the system

[sime42]

17 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Time for straight talking 😂😂😂Blagger 😂😂 I’m more open and honest than is probably required in reality, that’s a good one 42, nice try lad. 
Dont get angry sweetie just because I’m not interested in going down the question question question question no answer is good enough route you are well known for. 
My original post was regarding the fairness or sustainability of a system where someone can get the same treatment after arriving illegally having never contributed a penny as a person who has worked and contributed their entire life. I backed that up with information from the BMA and Gov sites. You obviously are struggling to come to terms with that as you often do when confronted with facts. 
 

What direction are you attempting to take this now” why is the NHS failing “ is that your new line of questioning?? 

 

 

Not angry, no. I'm not at all an angry person in life. You should have sensed that by now. I don't know why anyone would get angry all the time about stuff on the internet. Somewhat exasperated, yes. Exasperated at still not succeeding to get the Blagger to answer a straight yes/no question. Exasperated at not being able to find common ground, it's always possible with anyone else.

 

Is the NHS failing because of illegal immigrants? Yes or No.