Payload question

[Thesnarlingbadger]

I'm sure there is something on here already but can't find exactly what I'm looking for...

 

Been looking in to payloads of vehicles and as a first wagon I was going to go for the cheep and cheerful transit. Not a great payload but looking at others vehicles not much difference (all around the 1t mark give or take a couple of hundred kg), that is once the kit, people and chip box are on.

Now what I was wondering is if any of you helpful lot have any pictures of what a ton of chip looks like (hopefully it's not at dreadful as I imagine). Obviously I know different species = different weight, just looking for an average idea.

 

Also if you are towing does that have an impact on the payload or is that kept separate? I have a B+E so was thinking of plus 750kg.

 

Thanks for any help in advance people...

[Mark Bolam]

I reckon a tonne at about a level load, no greedy boards, about 2.5m3 if the chip is fresh/damp.

Tow what you like as long as it doesn't put you over your gross train weight, and be careful about your axle loadings.

Remember the nose weight of whatever you're towing counts as part of your payload on the towing vehicle (not much with normal chippers mind).

[Thesnarlingbadger]

Cool cheers Mark. That is a help and not as bad as I thought. Just being a tad careful as I know VOSA are getting hot on the heals of us lot at the moment. Thanks again

[openspaceman]

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Also if you are towing does that have an impact on the payload or is that kept separate? I have a B+E so was thinking of plus 750kg.

 

 

As Mark said with a transit that can gross 3.5 tonnes you can still tow a trailer up to the maximum gross train weight of the combination. Older transits can tow 2.25 tonnes and post ~2009 ones 2.5 tonnes which in practice with plant trailers of 2600kg gross weight and tare of ~500kg payload can knock on to 2 tonnes but you are venturing into tachograph rules (and exemptions).

[Thesnarlingbadger]

As Mark said with a transit that can gross 3.5 tonnes you can still tow a trailer up to the maximum gross train weight of the combination. Older transits can tow 2.25 tonnes and post ~2009 ones 2.5 tonnes which in practice with plant trailers of 2600kg gross weight and tare of ~500kg payload can knock on to 2 tonnes but you are venturing into tachograph rules (and exemptions).

 

 

Ahh I don't think I'll be getting in to the techograph region. I will only be towing a chipper (1.3t give or take) and am going to be bloody carful not to get stung for carrying to much.

[Thesnarlingbadger]

Also thanks for the input of the old and post 09 transit tow weight. Good info

[openspaceman]

Also thanks for the input of the old and post 09 transit tow weight. Good info

 

Look at the VIN plate on the nearside step (IIRC) the first figure under the VIN is the gross weight of the transit, the second is the gross train weight, subtract one from the other and that is the maximum towing weight. GTW on early ones will be 5750 and the later ones 6000. Very rarely you will see one with the higher ratio rear axle that can tow 2800kg but these tend to be plated at 4200GVW.

 

We have a cheap 2004 plate steel bodied tipper but although street legal needs the instrument panel electronics overhauled and a lot of tidying up.

[pileswasp]

Ahh I don't think I'll be getting in to the techograph region. I will only be towing a chipper (1.3t give or take) ...

 

Yes, you will.

 

Back to the original post, the nose-weight of the trailer will form part of the load on the towing vehicle, so yes, it will reduce your available payload.

[Justme]

Ahh I don't think I'll be getting in to the techograph region. I will only be towing a chipper (1.3t give or take) and am going to be bloody carful not to get stung for carrying to much.

 

You will be in the tacho weights.

 

Its now over 3500kg INC the trailer.

 

However exemptions do apply.

[Thesnarlingbadger]

You will be in the tacho weights.

 

 

 

Its now over 3500kg INC the trailer.

 

 

 

However exemptions do apply.

 

 

What kind of exemptions are we talking about?

And what exactly are the tacho laws. I had a feeling you needed one if you were supplying a product I.e delivering logs.

I have worked for a few companies and only one of them used techo's, but they were using 7.5 tonners.

I am aware this sounds bad on my part but it is not something that had ever occurred to me.

So in Layman terms could anyone explain what warrants a tacho? And how people bypass them or if there is really any need to other than cost.

Thanks again.