Follow up on ETCC snap ban

[Mark B.]

CTS,

 

yes indeed, 400 ft up, but working with a fully backed up system, i.e. with a second line.

 

Hugo,

 

yes, depending on the design it probably would.

[Marc]

Surely a 3 way snap hook would then make it not a snap hook. From the few i know who use them like them because its simple to open then and close them.

[Marc]

I like this safety notice that you posted on treebuzz and think it gives a clear picture of how and why a snaphook may be deemed not compatable or fit for purpose, the scenario shown even though probably unlikly to happen the use of appropiate well maintained 3 way karabiner would almost be impossible to open accidentally.

[Craig Johnson]

 

another thought is why does cant someone come up with a 3 way snap hook ?

 

 

 

rumour has it that ISC are doing something along that line of thought, its in the final stages of development, 'tweaking' i think its called, but the prototype look good

[combined tree services]

great stuff i will be interested to see what its like !!!!!

[combined tree services]

CTS,

 

yes indeed, 400 ft up, but working with a fully backed up system, i.e. with a second line.

 

Hugo,

 

yes, depending on the design it probably would.

 

i was under the impression that you should always have a "back up " or secondary anchor point when working in a tree as well ! if this is the case then whay it the problem with the snap hook ??

 

i know what your saying and not personally aving a go at you but you have to admit it does seem a bit daft

[Marc]

i was under the impression that you should always have a "back up " or secondary anchor point when working in a tree as well ! if this is the case then whay it the problem with the snap hook ??

 

i know what your saying and not personally aving a go at you but you have to admit it does seem a bit daft

 

The only thing i can think of is that in industrial rope access your backed up by another system, where as the snap hook is usually found on lanyards so doesn't really constitute another seperate system, and if your using it to transition or advance up a tree rope over rope it could be "is" a weak link in the chain and your only life support with no back up during these situations.

 

I'm not sure on this just my thoughts about screw gates being used in other rope access work and being deemed acceptable is probably because once they are on their rope systems they will not disconnect till after the job is finished, where as in tree work potentially we unclip ourselves from the system multiple times during a climb so 3 way auto-locking karabiners are best suited.

[combined tree services]

The only thing i can think of is that in industrial rope access your backed up by another system, where as the snap hook is usually found on lanyards so doesn't really constitute another seperate system, and if your using it to transition or advance up a tree rope over rope it could be "is" a weak link in the chain and your only life support with no back up during these situations.

 

I'm not sure on this just my thoughts about screw gates being used in other rope access work and being deemed acceptable is probably because once they are on their rope systems they will not disconnect till after the job is finished, where as in tree work potentially we unclip ourselves from the system multiple times during a climb so 3 way auto-locking karabiners are best suited.

 

some great points mark and an angle that i had not looked at .

[Mark B.]

Yes, Marc, I agree. That's essentially my line of thought on the matter, too.

[Khriss]

Whats a goat, does it taste like sheep?

 

In a curry it does.

 

K

 

mmmm-curry :9