groundie pay

[stewie]

Climber has gravity on his side

That went over my head.

Haven't tried but I reckon I don't bounce!

 

 

I'll say it in simple terms then......climber climbs tree and sends it all down to the ground.....groundie then cuts it up, drags the brash and carrys the logs to the truck......who's had the hardest day?? Why is one worth more than the other??

[Mark Bolam]

I agree that groundies in general, especially top ones, are worth more.

 

A lot of my mates are in other trades, and I look at their outgoings and earnings all the time.

 

Comparatively, good climbers would be on £200 and good groundies on £150.

 

Market forces dictate the wage in the tree game though, so this isn't really possible.

 

I disagree with a groundy being worth quite as much as a climber, and I'm not disputing they work just as hard, if not harder, during a day.

It's just that on most jobs if a groundy called in sick you could still make money. If a climber did, you wouldn't (based on a 3 man crew).

 

The best climbers are good on the ground as well. Team game.

 

 

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[Shane]

I'll say it in simple terms then......climber climbs tree and sends it all down to the ground.....groundie then cuts it up, drags the brash and carrys the logs to the truck......who's had the hardest day?? Why is one worth more than the other??

 

In which case, feel free to pay them both the same, it's your choice.

No offence intended, we all interpret the facts differently, thats all.

[jaime bray]

If you were to make a list of what skills, initiative and level of conscientiousness a good worker had, then added to that list the additional factors related to each job, be it grounding or climbing, there would inevitably be some crossover of skills between both.

 

An inexperienced or poor groundsman can very quickly make a climbers life a nightmare, and vice versa. What makes both of them value for money is conscientious, hard working, treeworkers with good common sense and an ability to work as part of a team.

 

A climber that can drop a poplar into a postage stamp sized garden whilst; direct the roping procedures, ensure that brash doesn't just rain down in any old fashion and makes a ground crews job easier, communicates effectively and then when he gets down and QUICKLY puts away their climbing gear, assists in the successful completion of the days work, including raking, chipping, loading the vans, closing down the site and filling up the chipper when you get back to the yard with red diesel, is worth their weight in gold.

 

A groundsman that sets up a job site safety equipment in alignment with the risk assessment and traffic management, then proceeds to set up the ladders and fills up the saw for the climber whilst giving it the once over for safety checks and chain sharpness, then proceeds to communicate effectively with the climber, the client and other team members, whilst managing public safety, keeps the climbers ropes clear of rubbish, highlights to the climber any potential issues with ropes, or the running of the job, lowers, processes, drags and chips brash until its break or is safe to leave for a minute or until job completion, then performs the same site closure tasks as mentioned in climber role, and also at the yard is also worth their weight in gold.

 

All of the above would be beneficial if at the same time a sense of humour and good personality were present to make the day go by a little quicker.

 

If Carlsberg made tree crews that team would be mine and bought a pint, by me, at the end of the day.

 

Some groundies are mustard, as are climbers, learn your trade, do a few days/weeks/months with said company, then say, 'Do you think you have had a good opportunity to assess my capabilities as a treeworker? Over the longer period he certainly will be able to ascertain your value to him persoanally within his business setup and may adapt pay accordingly. Good luck, and remember, its a vocation hehehe

[stewie]

If you were to make a list of what skills, initiative and level of conscientiousness a good worker had, then added to that list the additional factors related to each job, be it grounding or climbing, there would inevitably be some crossover of skills between both.

 

An inexperienced or poor groundsman can very quickly make a climbers life a nightmare, and vice versa. What makes both of them value for money is conscientious, hard working, treeworkers with good common sense and an ability to work as part of a team.

 

A climber that can drop a poplar into a postage stamp sized garden whilst; direct the roping procedures, ensure that brash doesn't just rain down in any old fashion and makes a ground crews job easier, communicates effectively and then when he gets down and QUICKLY puts away their climbing gear, assists in the successful completion of the days work, including raking, chipping, loading the vans, closing down the site and filling up the chipper when you get back to the yard with red diesel, is worth their weight in gold.

 

A groundsman that sets up a job site safety equipment in alignment with the risk assessment and traffic management, then proceeds to set up the ladders and fills up the saw for the climber whilst giving it the once over for safety checks and chain sharpness, then proceeds to communicate effectively with the climber, the client and other team members, whilst managing public safety, keeps the climbers ropes clear of rubbish, highlights to the climber any potential issues with ropes, or the running of the job, lowers, processes, drags and chips brash until its break or is safe to leave for a minute or until job completion, then performs the same site closure tasks as mentioned in climber role, and also at the yard is also worth their weight in gold.

 

All of the above would be beneficial if at the same time a sense of humour and good personality were present to make the day go by a little quicker.

 

If Carlsberg made tree crews that team would be mine and bought a pint, by me, at the end of the day.

 

Some groundies are mustard, as are climbers, learn your trade, do a few days/weeks/months with said company, then say, 'Do you think you have had a good opportunity to assess my capabilities as a treeworker? Over the longer period he certainly will be able to ascertain your value to him persoanally within his business setup and may adapt pay accordingly. Good luck, and remember, its a vocation hehehe

 

 

 

Excellent reply mate......

[Mark Bolam]

It was.

Just what I said. With more words.

 

 

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[Horatio]

I'll say it in simple terms then......climber climbs tree and sends it all down to the ground.....groundie then cuts it up, drags the brash and carrys the logs to the truck......who's had the hardest day?? Why is one worth more than the other??

 

Well given what you just said I don't know.

 

Today's example. Deadwooding a veteran oak overhanging the property, a green house, some fencing and some other stuff.

The Groundy was flat out the chipper was 10 metres away. The Arbor trolleys anti gravity thingy was broken.

 

Not every day is dragging tons of material a mile away from the chipper

[jaime bray]

I think being a groundy is more dangerous.

Certainly if I'm climbing.

 

 

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These are all the words you need Mr Bolam!!!

[Mark Bolam]

Haha!

Seriously, your post about sums it up mate.

 

 

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[stewie]

It was.

Just what I said. With more words.

 

 

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spot on lol