Europe? In or Out?!

[BARNSLEY BOB]

WHAT DIFFERENCE IS IT GOING TO MAKE TO ME.? ? ?

 

at this moment in time "you have never had it so good"

 

tv info, wanted down under, properties abroad, ect ect,

 

we got cheap food, cheap money, high wages, no work ethic, unlimited welfare,

[skyhuck]

I have in the past been personally involved in projects which received 10s of millions of £s from Europe without which the urban areas I was working in would be ghost towns.

 

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We pay Billions into the EU in order for them to give us 10's of Millions back , I say we cut out the middle man look after our own

[daveindales]

I've been saying for at least ten years that we should be out as soon as possible. So you know which way I'd vote. Thank god we didn't join the euro. Every country in the eu is naturally fighting its own corner. Unfortunately, there will be always be winners and losers. Some will contribute more and some less. Why should we contribute to the greeks who only work about half a day a week? Why should Germany and other nations have a say in implementing laws that effect the British? The Spanish are making things as difficult as possible in Gibraltar. Turkey wanted to join, but the Greeks and Turks hate each other. Germany wants to be top dog, followed by the striking French. Not to mention all the bribery going on, and all that wasted money. Let's get out ASAP

[Paul Jenks]

We pay Billions into the EU in order for them to give us 10's of Millions back , I say we cut out the middle man look after our own

 

Goodness, that's a well reasoned argument.

 

Does the same apply to wealthy individuals and wealthy businesses?

 

In an interdependent global economy it is the honourable thing to do. Giving more if one has more may not be acceptable to some and may well disadvantage others. On the whole it will benefit more, even if the bulk of them are in other countries, in this instance.

 

I'm certainly not a socialist though I do believe in social responsibility at the individual, corporate and national level.

 

There are winners and losers however the cake is divided and divided it must be. It's implicit on those with the knife to make well reasoned decisions. Alas, they are human, just like most of us, and are inevitably making decisions that not everyone will agree with.

[Brian S]

We pay Billions into the EU in order for them to give us 10's of Millions back , I say we cut out the middle man look after our own

 

is correct, sort our own house out first, THEN we give to other countries

I am also lead to believe that any funding we get from the eu they will give us half of the project cost (our money) but we have to match that funding with our own money

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

no such thing as truth..

 

Aint that a lie. Very dangerous slippery slope believing that.

[skyhuck]

Goodness, that's a well reasoned argument.

 

Does the same apply to wealthy individuals and wealthy businesses?

 

In an interdependent global economy it is the honourable thing to do. Giving more if one has more may not be acceptable to some and may well disadvantage others. On the whole it will benefit more, even if the bulk of them are in other countries, in this instance.

 

I'm certainly not a socialist though I do believe in social responsibility at the individual, corporate and national level.

 

There are winners and losers however the cake is divided and divided it must be. It's implicit on those with the knife to make well reasoned decisions. Alas, they are human, just like most of us, and are inevitably making decisions that not everyone will agree with.

 

The problem is the EU use a Solid gold, diamond encrusted knife and by the time they have finished getting their grubby little mitts on the cake there only crumbs left for those in the most need, the level of corruption in the European Parliament is quite staggering.

 

Why not keep our money local and help those locally who need it, we are a very generous nation, who give a great deal in foreign aid.

Edited April 6, 2014 by skyhuck

[wrsni]

The greatest wisdom I have acquired is tha tther eis no such thing as black or white, no such thing as right or wrong, no such thing as truth. Everything is in shades or cannot be known.

 

Well if that's the pinnacle of your wisdom then dear help you because frankly that's complete bollocks.

 

The real truth is ALWAYS clear cut, there are never any different versions of it, there are no different shades, it is ONE thing.

 

All the other shades, versions, etc, etc, only come in to play when people want to deny, hide, or alter the truth. Truth is becoming extremely unfashionable and harder and harder to find but if you want a REAL piece of wisdom to cling to, remember that out among all the bullshit it's always there somewhere.

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

Well if that's the pinnacle of your wisdom then dear help you because frankly that's complete bollocks.

 

The real truth is ALWAYS clear cut, there are never any different versions of it, there are no different shades, it is ONE thing.

 

All the other shades, versions, etc, etc, only come in to play when people want to deny, hide, or alter the truth. Truth is becoming extremely unfashionable and harder and harder to find but if you want a REAL piece of wisdom to cling to, remember that out among all the bullshit it's always there somewhere.

 

Absolutely spot on.

[Paul Jenks]

The problem is the EU use a Solid gold, diamond encrusted knife and by the time they have finished getting their grubby little mitts on the cake there only crumbs left for those in the most need, the level of corruption in the European Parliament is quite staggering.

 

Why not keep our money local and help those locally who need it, we are a very generous nation, who give a great deal in foreign aid.

 

I agree, Huck. However in the context of this;

{taken from euromove.org}, "From the negotiations on the UK’s accession in 1970-72 to the present day, Britain’s contribution to the EU budget has been the subject of controversy. Although the percentage of our national income involved is small (under one per cent of GNI), the cash amount is still considerable. In 2010, the UK’s adjusted net contribution - that is, after allowing for the UK rebate and receipts from EU programmes - was estimated to be £6.27 billion (the rebate was £3 billion). In percentage terms, the UK’s net share of the EU budget in 2010 was 10.87 per cent, compared to 19.53 per cent for the largest contributor (Germany) with France and Italy both paying higher shares than the UK"

 

In real terms it's not so much. Wherever the money is concentrated there will be snouts in the trough. At least if they're European snouts some will feel justified in whining about it.