Bob Crow.

[john p]

I however CAN see both sides, when is it "right" for a joiner on ill-thought so-called "bonuses" to earn about £120,000.00 per year, a few years ago too, under Glasgie Council.

 

My main gripe with Unions, Teachers Union especially, is the absolutly wrongheaded protection of the appallingly poor/inefficient/dysfunctional staff.

 

And ill-deserved "perks"

 

Brother! such workers do not exist.

 

like feck

 

we have all met them.

 

There a disproportinate number in any Government run Department, due to spineless managers and the hand-wringing Human Resources departments.

 

On the other hand I was appalled to hear a "time and motion" consultant baldly state "sack and replace them" when I queried his 100% performance, 100% of the time, regardless of weather.

 

In respect of refuse collect.

 

Same guy refused to accept that the weather played a part in grass cutting operations.

 

So, there is a middle ground.

 

It would be easier to pay the good workers well, if they did not have to carry the useless shirkers, and YES, they do exist.

 

regards,

 

marcus

 

 

Yes there is a middle ground, you are right when you say useless workers exist, but it's just as easy to pay good workers well by cutting back on management/CEO types salaries/ bonuses as well as weeding out blagging on the tools types

[difflock]

Actually I fully agree.

[NFG]

Your right Egg, people seem quite happy to see other people get shafted by big business, but if you try and stand up for your and others rights your a leftie throwback, our society now has changed out of all recognition, people are more concerned about the Kardashians than the people going to food banks in their towns

 

Hi,

 

I think you state a very good point there, I continually despair of companies that state we've made X many million/billion profit so were going to merge/take over/relocate loosely meaning fire our work force so they can recruit young meaning cheap labour to make even more profit.

 

Who cares about profit? its just a number, profit is good, but too much at the expense of 'la vie' is bad, sometimes I think companies would be much better if they said sod the profit, were going to put the people who work for us first anything else is a bonus. Would that not encourage a good workplace, with good profits?

 

Perhaps the John Lewis model is the right mix? I dont know but there is so much wrong about the way some large organisations operate.

 

Just my thoughts & no, Im not a raving socialist.

 

N

[difflock]

One cannot have a good workplace with bad workers.

Otherwise that model ud work just fine.

Now the Duke of Wellington was reputed to state;

"There is no such thing as a bad soldier, only poor Officers"

But this was perhaps more understandable in those far off days of harsh and bytime arbitary disclipine.

A good Officer was then much better empowered to do good.

Edited March 16, 2014 by difflock

[eggsarascal]

Mrs Eggs:

 

Who the blazes are the Kardashians?

 

Outta touch in Suffolk....

 

And happy.

[eggsarascal]

I however CAN see both sides, when is it "right" for a joiner on ill-thought so-called "bonuses" to earn about £120,000.00 per year, a few years ago too, under Glasgie Council.

My main gripe with Unions, Teachers Union especially, is the absolutly wrongheaded protection of the appallingly poor/inefficient/dysfunctional staff.

And ill-deserved "perks"

Brother! such workers do not exist.

like feck

we have all met them.

There a disproportinate number in any Government run Department, due to spineless managers and the hand-wringing Human Resources departments.

On the other hand I was appalled to hear a "time and motion" consultant baldly state "sack and replace them" when I queried his 100% performance, 100% of the time, regardless of weather.

In respect of refuse collect.

Same guy refused to accept that the weather played a part in grass cutting operations.

So, there is a middle ground.

It would be easier to pay the good workers well, if they did not have to carry the useless shirkers, and YES, they do exist.

regards,

marcus

 

 

You can see both sides!

 

Never in the history of man!

 

Your another one of them that think you know the real world.....And don't.

 

Go and talk Bollocks to someone else.

Edited March 16, 2014 by eggsarascal

[log dog]

rip bob crow cant sai i knew a massive amount about the guy but every time i heard or read his comments i thought good on you and i bet his union members where glad he was there leader, as for his wage and house its unfair to slate someone who can no longer defend himself ! why was these figures always thrown up by certain news papers ask your selves ! every time the royal family is mentioned do we get a run down on what they collect from the public purse and the value of there houses which we run and repair for them .rip bob.

[difflock]

Eggs, kinda disappointed in your response.

It is actually entirely possible to occupy the middle ground.

And quite straightforward to identify said ground.

And I do live in the real world.

Most of us do,

except for bankers and certain Union leaders.

I was reared plainer than most "working class" kids, sleeping between sheets sewed from Mortons flour bags, etc, etc.

But made good, and not by trampling over others either.

Started with a small cheap house and a self maintained second hand car.

And honestly worked two jobs.

Aided by a good wife, who also worked 2 jobs, and 3 bytimes.

I despise arrogant greedy Union "workers" as much as I despise certain bankers and Politicans.

regards,

Marcus

[eggsarascal]

Eggs, kinda disappointed in your response.

It is actually entirely possible to occupy the middle ground.

And quite straightforward to identify said ground.

And I do live in the real world.

Most of us do,

except for bankers and certain Union leaders.

I was reared plainer than most "working class" kids, sleeping between sheets sewed from Mortons flour bags, etc, etc.

But made good, and not by trampling over others either.

Started with a small cheap house and a self maintained second hand car.

And honestly worked two jobs.

Aided by a good wife, who also worked 2 jobs, and 3 bytimes.

I despise arrogant greedy Union "workers" as much as I despise certain bankers and Politicans.

regards,

Marcus

 

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Re: Bob Crow.

Bollocks!

Did his best for hissel and his over-inflated ego.

A true champange Socialist.

Sorry eggs.

marcus

 

Did you read my post about being shafted by a big company?

 

What you need to do is walk in someone else's shoes for I little while before you make comments that I'm guessing you know nothing about, because you have never been in a situation where peoples livelihoods are at risk, jobs being lost and contracts being changed at the drop of a hat. Not for the greater good or so that customers pay less for their water bills, but done to make Directors of big companies more in bonuses and over inflated pay rises, whilst those that are out there day and night get kicked in the balls.

 

How else apart from being part of a union do you think we are going to try and stop these people taking the piss out of the hard working man?

[mendiplogs]

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Re: Bob Crow.

Bollocks!

Did his best for hissel and his over-inflated ego.

A true champange Socialist.

Sorry eggs.

marcus

 

Did you read my post about being shafted by a big company?

 

What you need to do is walk in someone else's shoes for I little while before you make comments that I'm guessing you know nothing about, because you have never been in a situation where peoples livelihoods are at risk, jobs being lost and contracts being changed at the drop of a hat. Not for the greater good or so that customers pay less for their water bills, but done to make Directors of big companies more in bonuses and over inflated pay rises, whilst those that are out there day and night get kicked in the balls.

 

How else apart from being part of a union do you think we are going to try and stop these people taking the piss out of the hard working man?

 

HI EGGS well mate look at the COOP FOR THAT MATE :biggrin:JON