What effect would scottish independence have on the UK tree industry?

[daltontrees]

Well sorry but that's democracy for you.

 

There are two aspects to democracy. Firstly everyone has their say, and secondly, you then accept the will of the majority. Are you suggesting things should still change after the vote because that's what 30% want, what about the 70% who are content to remain part of the UK?????

 

Tell you what, have a look across the Irish Sea at how well we are getting along with our "Mandatory Coalition" and you'll see just how badly a country really can be run!!!

 

I'm not suggesting anything except thaty if the vote goes the no direction the anti-english rhetoric will not be swallowed by the 1.7 million people who don't want to be ruled by England. And I use the E word deliberately, in teh absence of anyone here addressing the pointed enquiry in my earlier posts about the english assembly.

 

I was brought up mostly in Northern Ireland and know/knew people who were shot dead, burned from their homes, tortured, falsely imprisoned. I can forgive them a little chaos in their growing pains, they have come a long way from a couple of decades ago when the country was run by mobsters on both sides. The history of Irish separation from Britain (the republic, that is) gives some thought-provoking insights into what forces stir when democracy is masked by subordination. And what happened when the residue was strongly divided.

 

Honestly I am not making any point about Irish politics, there is no condoning the atrocities over there over the century and no-one has clean hands. But if one only sees the issue as one of first-past-the-post democracy one cannot understand that resentment will linger.

[scotspine1]

Jules,

 

the SNP don't want independence so that power will trickle down to the people, they want power so they can implement their socialist, nationalistic, narrow minded policies.

 

Named guardians for all children from birth to 18 years old - talk about big brother, it seems the SNP have decided they will bring up our children, it's nothing more than pernicious monitoring by the state. That's the shape of things to come if you vote for independence.

 

Salmond and the SNP - you can't separate them from the debate. They bring in people like Colin Fox (Scottish Socialists) and Patrick Harvey (Scottish Greens) as a gesture to pretend there are other parties interested in independence. Those 2 represent about 0.0000000001% of the Scottish electorate, Fox isn't even an MSP.

 

All the people who rave about Salmond and his soclalist utopian vision for Scotland need to remember one thing, Salmond was the former banker who encouraged and supported RBS's take over of the Dutch bank ABN AMRO, the biggest disaster in UK banking history - and this is the guy who wants to lead an independent Scotland!

[daltontrees]

I half heard the thing about named guardians on the radio, thought it was a wind-up for a few seconds. Not a good way to go for civil liberties.

 

All politicians want power. That's why they're politicians, right? They are there to be used the way they use us. Anyone that believes them is a sucker.

 

By now on this thread you can probably tell that my real grievance is english presumptuousness (is that a real word or is the right word presumption). Even if Scotland votes no I had hoped that it might raise awareness of the issue and prompt an english assembly.

 

I recently pointed out to the AA a wee mistake they had made on their website about scottish TPO law compared to english TPO law; they said they would correct it. So what'd they do? They removed all reference to Scotland. There's erring on the safe side, and there's contempt. How united are we?

 

I'm off to bed, it's the weekend and believe it or not I do have a life...

[scotspine1]

How united are we?

 

300 years united and still going strong. The relationship between Scotland and England has always been fractious, being part of the United Kingdom has taken the sharp edges away. An independent Scotland would see a renewed and insidious animosity between the two countries.

 

Any Scottish person who believes their being oppressed by the English is completely deluded. You want real oppression?? try the Tamils in Sri Lanka, the Palestinians, the Jews in Nazi Germany. The Scottish people are not an oppressed race like the SNP and pro independence lobby seem to imply with their pathetic chip on the shoulder.

 

Underneath all the SNP's rhetoric about an 'inclusive society' lies a deeply embedded anti-English sentiment.

 

 

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[Gnome]

Nah.

 

I hope my English cousins will get on just fine:thumbup1:. The anti Salmond and anti SNP BS just highlights some of the negativity of the No campaign.

 

Salmond's not anti English he just doesn't like the westminster establishment.

 

I agree with him.

[wrsni]

All politicians want power. That's why they're politicians, right?

 

I believe it was Billy Connolly who once said that the desire to be a politician should automatically preclude the person from ever being one!

[wrsni]

Salmond's not anti English.........

 

Possibly, but he also knows that many are and it's his best chance to get what he REALLY wants.

 

Power!

[County 764]

What next an independent Shetland maybe an independent Skye. The SNP should take a look back into the history books and the Clan warfare that isn't included in there pretty picture of the past ..

[scotspine1]

Nah.

 

I hope my English cousins will get on just fine:thumbup1:. The anti Salmond and anti SNP BS just highlights some of the negativity of the No campaign..

 

How many times before the referendum are we going to hear that cliché by the pro independence side?........talk about a stuck record.

 

Don't mistake negativity for critical thought, the pro independence supporters (apart from maybe Jim Sillars) seem to have lost their critical faculties - instead choosing to blindly follow the pied piper to the cliff edge like a bunch of sycophantic lemmings.

 

Critical thought enables a person to scrutinise Salmond's vision and under close scrutiny his vision for Scotland simply does not stack up.

[Mull]

I believe it was Billy Connolly who once said that the desire to be a politician should automatically preclude the person from ever being one!

 

 

It was indeed Connelly that said that!

 

I feel I have to say, that if you think a yearning for independence is down to Alex salmond, you are mistaken, we can have independence and a tory(Scottish government) if we like.

There are many reasons, some right some wrong.

Westminster? Might as well be Cairo! We are different countries, economically, geologically, we also feel strongly about our identity, west minster offers very little!

 

Still undecided😳