Sugi bars for other saw brands?

[rubbish chainsaw operator]

Hello Rob,

 

registered on Arbtalk to ask you a question before realising I could have contacted you via e-mails on your site. since I've registered now, may as well ask here in case its of relevance to others.

 

Bit of background first [sorry in advance for the life story], I've held my CS30+31 for 3 years and CS32 for almost as long, but have always used other peoples' saws.

 

The Stihls I've used put me off the brand, but looking at the current Husky and Jonsered ranges they're advertising a lot of USP's as if they're a good thing, when to me they look unnecessary and gimmicky.

 

Having lurked on here for a bit, I was encouraged by posts by TimberCutterDartmoor, shavey and others and looked at Dolmar saws.

 

Being a clueless idiot, instead of buying an established model I went and got myself a PS-6100, without realising it's only been out for a few months and people are still trying to get their heads round it.

 

The Dolmar part numbers for bars for this saw include:

411 907 650

411 909 650

411 910 650

 

And by looking up what other chainsaws use those bars, I've determined that the bars Sugihara advertises for them are the ones coded DT4 for solid bars, and DT2 for laminated.

It's a laminated bar that came with the saw, and although I'm finding it difficult to check without something tangible to compare against, the mount looks closest to Sugi's DT2.

Are the 2 mounting patterns [DT2 and DT4] interchangeable, if I were to get their "Star Tip" replaceable sprocket nose bar?

And if so, would I be able to get a couple of DT4T-8Q45-A bars through you whenever you next place an order with them?

 

Cheers

[shavey]

Hello Rob,

 

registered on Arbtalk to ask you a question before realising I could have contacted you via e-mails on your site. since I've registered now, may as well ask here in case its of relevance to others.

 

Bit of background first [sorry in advance for the life story], I've held my CS30+31 for 3 years and CS32 for almost as long, but have always used other peoples' saws.

 

The Stihls I've used put me off the brand, but looking at the current Husky and Jonsered ranges they're advertising a lot of USP's as if they're a good thing, when to me they look unnecessary and gimmicky.

 

Having lurked on here for a bit, I was encouraged by posts by TimberCutterDartmoor, shavey and others and looked at Dolmar saws.

 

Being a clueless idiot, instead of buying an established model I went and got myself a PS-6100, without realising it's only been out for a few months and people are still trying to get their heads round it.

 

The Dolmar part numbers for bars for this saw include:

411 907 650

411 909 650

411 910 650

 

And by looking up what other chainsaws use those bars, I've determined that the bars Sugihara advertises for them are the ones coded DT4 for solid bars, and DT2 for laminated.

It's a laminated bar that came with the saw, and although I'm finding it difficult to check without something tangible to compare against, the mount looks closest to Sugi's DT2.

Are the 2 mounting patterns [DT2 and DT4] interchangeable, if I were to get their "Star Tip" replaceable sprocket nose bar?

And if so, would I be able to get a couple of DT4T-8Q45-A bars through you whenever you next place an order with them?

 

Cheers

 

good evening welcombe to the site, sounds like you made a good choice of saw there what does it feel like, is it a nice balanced powerful saw. Arent you happy with the dolmar bar what size are you running is it a 18'' 3/8 chain or a .325 chain

most of the dolmar models have groups of saws that run the same types of bars and chains if you go on the dolmar website click on your model then drop down to cutting bars and click download and you will see other models that are the same as yours and you should be able to use one of these older models to get a match because they have been in production longer

did you get it in germany or the u.s.a

cheers shavey:thumbup:

[rubbish chainsaw operator]

Cheers for the reply shavey,

 

I ordered it from Germany. I can't stand dealing with customs - the waiting time, the spreading out of payments and so on.

3/8 chain but I got it with a 15" bar, not realising this saw's a bit bigger than expected.

 

They advertise it as both a good felling and snedding saw, but I'm going to have to bulk up a wee bit before I can efficiently sned for a prolonged time with it.

My intention was to get a smaller saw - this is the biggest one I've ever held, I'm thinking I could've done with the 5105, but I'm up for sticking with this one.

 

The bars I was asking rob about are 18". At least that way I can switch them out given the situation. Besides, I'm not brand loyal, you'll never catch me kitted out like a salesman. I like shopping around and buying bits and bobs from specialists, and putting it all together, and the solid Sugi bars look just like that.

 

What else? I haven't started the saw yet. I'm a bit scared to get it dirted up before covering all bases. Possibly next week though.

 

Cheers,

rubbish

[rubbish chainsaw operator]

most of the dolmar models have groups of saws that run the same types of bars and chains if you go on the dolmar website click on your model then drop down to cutting bars and click download and you will see other models that are the same as yours and you should be able to use one of these older models to get a match because they have been in production longer

 

thanks for this advice also. they've grouped the 6100 with, amongst others, the 540 which i'd also found through searching bar serial numbers, aswell as the 5105. I think it's safe to say it uses the same bar mount as those models, which in theory means the Sugi bar I was asking about should work fine.

 

Funnily enough, that guide doesn't list any .058" 3/8" bars for those models, even though the 6100's parts list does, and that's what I ordered it with. Aren't you and other 5105 users also using .058"'s on them?

 

Anyway, it's getting late so I'd better be off.

 

Cheers,

rubbish

[Rob D]

Hi there.

 

 

OK - first thing is when looking at what fits what is to go to the oregon selector guide here OREGON®: Selector Guide - it does not list your saw there - but if it has the equivalent of the K095 or D009 mount - these are the x2 main mounts for Husky and so I have a good range of Sugi bar for these.

 

 

I'm sure oregon have a pdf you can print and match your bar to the mounts on there... or ask the dealer what is the oregon equivalent mount for this saw.

 

 

It's tricky finding bars that fit other saws - Stihl and Husky have 70% of the market... for Sugihara bars I have to order min x30 bars of each type... this cannot be spread.

 

i.e I have to order 18" 3/8 .058 laminated bars with BC mount.

 

 

So for the lesser known brands there will never be enough demand to get the specific bars in.

 

 

 

[openspaceman]

 

What else? I haven't started the saw yet. I'm a bit scared to get it dirted up before covering all bases. Possibly next week though.

 

 

I'll look forward to reports you make. I am considering one with 18" bar, I have always used laminated and wonder what the pros and cons are compared with solid.

 

How much does it weigh? How many spondulas by the time you got it?

[rubbish chainsaw operator]

It's tricky finding bars that fit other saws - Stihl and Husky have 70% of the market... for Sugihara bars I have to order min x30 bars of each type... this cannot be spread.

 

Thanks for your advice. I used the oregon selector guide, but it didn't kick up anything of use. if needs be i'll just buy Dolmar's 18" laminated bars for the time being.

 

I'll look forward to reports you make. I am considering one with 18" bar, I have always used laminated and wonder what the pros and cons are compared with solid.

 

How much does it weigh? How many spondulas by the time you got it?

 

I was wondering the same thing about laminated vs solid. I've only ever used laminated, and their owners always seem to keep them for ages despite large amounts of wear. If you're doing a lot of boring or cutting dirty wood, being able to replace the nose is a plus. since i don't, it may not even make much difference but i'd like to see how long one could last anyway.

With 15" bar and chain attached, it's weighing in at about 7.5 kilos. plus the weight of your fuel [keeping in mind it holds 0.8 litres] and chain oil, it'll be a bit over 8 kilos full [hopefully i've done my maths right]. Shipping and whatever other fees I paid included, it worked out about 525 quid.

[Rob D]

I was wondering the same thing about laminated vs solid. I've only ever used laminated, and their owners always seem to keep them for ages despite large amounts of wear. If you're doing a lot of boring or cutting dirty wood, being able to replace the nose is a plus. since i don't, it may not even make much difference but i'd like to see how long one could last anyway.

 

 

Laminated are lighter, cheaper but are not as stiff and don't last as long as the solid bars.

 

 

Replaceable nose sprockets are good - but only really found that when they need replacing the bar needs replacing anyway... but still handy for playing around with options and different noses....

 

 

Chainsaw bars are like chainsaw files - you can keep using them way beyond and over the time when they need replacing and they will still 'work'.

 

 

At the local shop near me people change bars when things like the chain keeps breaking or the nose sprocket has failed... I'll post some pics of these as you can see that they have been used 3 to 4 times longer than they should have been.

 

 

Ref weights - all the manufacturers love to put 'light weight' 'pro lite' etc etc - yet don't actually tell you what the weight is!!

I have done a weight chart here http://www.chainsawbars.co.uk/media/documents/guidebar-info.pdf but I need to add the Sugi bars into this.

 

I know it takes a while to upload - need to work on getting it more accessible....

 

 

 

[rubbish chainsaw operator]

Okay so in case you were wondering Rob, the VH2T-8Q45-A bar you sent out this week [or one of them anyway] was one I had ordered having talked to shavey through messages.

Shavey had said he uses husky and oregon bars on his dolmar saws, so I ordered the bar, crossed my fingers and hoped for the best.

I've just spent some time using a spare piece of card and some tracing paper [ie grease proof baking paper] to make a template of the sugi's bar mount, cut it out, stuck it on the dolmar's powerhead and went through the chain tensioner's full range of motion, and it lined up properly.

I'd like to wait until i get the chains to fit the bar and check the oil flow then, just to be doubly sure, but so far it looks like it's going to work - good news for myself and anyone else with a dolmar with the same bar mount.

 

just checked, the 18" solid sugi is only about 250g heavier than the 15" laminated dolmar bar.

[Rob D]

Okay so in case you were wondering Rob, the VH2T-8Q45-A bar you sent out this week [or one of them anyway] was one I had ordered having talked to shavey through messages.

Shavey had said he uses husky and oregon bars on his dolmar saws, so I ordered the bar, crossed my fingers and hoped for the best.

I've just spent some time using a spare piece of card and some tracing paper [ie grease proof baking paper] to make a template of the sugi's bar mount, cut it out, stuck it on the dolmar's powerhead and went through the chain tensioner's full range of motion, and it lined up properly.

I'd like to wait until i get the chains to fit the bar and check the oil flow then, just to be doubly sure, but so far it looks like it's going to work - good news for myself and anyone else with a dolmar with the same bar mount.

 

just checked, the 18" solid sugi is only about 250g heavier than the 15" laminated dolmar bar.

 

 

That's good to know - so the VH sugi mount is the equivalent of the oregon K095 mount except in this case you have it with the 3/8" .058 nose sprocket.

 

 

Interesting about the weights - going to weigh the sugi bars hopefully today! See how the light type compare to the solid type.