Further advice re apprentice.

[LeeWill]

Good luck with this guys.

[Ian C]

We put two lads through the trees and timber apprenticeship last year, we had to pay a couple of hundred quid and pay them. I was not that impressed with the course, nor were the lads. It was different to what is currently on offer in that they had to do days every now and then rather then every week.

 

Don't underestimate how expensive it is in to train guys or gals. Getting a climber to a commercial speed takes a lot of practice, with an experienced guy often watching/acting as a groundie and therefore not working/earning as they should be. The plus side is that they learn to do things your way.

 

Until they leave and take all the training and development with them.

[farmerjohn]

I agree with both comments

 

I dont,

i think if you choose the correct apprentice, and treat them correctly and are transparent with them about how much it actually costs to employ someone, risks of pricing jobs and running costs (and i mean have a conversation about this not winge at them constantly about how much they cost you) and heven forbid you make a bit on a job because they have 'pulled there pan out' and done you proud give em a few quid extra for a beer or two and you might find you end up with a hard working loyal workforce.

I think the college is there to teach them the theory but the real learning is done on site, and not just the practical learning.

dont get me wrong it is a nightmare being a employee, i have had some excellent staff and a few bad ones too.

[Goaty]

That's the problem. Trading up the future competition is a concern.

The problem is, while at college, students are continually told that all they need is a good chipper and a cheap tipper and they can earn loads of money by themselves.

They become deluded by their lecturers and finally become convinced that their employer/ mentor is making loads of profit off their sweat and toil.

Rant over. Sorry.

 

 

Sent with my iPhone from me, to you!

 

 

Thats the college attitude, same with school, you can be the best you are brilliant, many leave thinking these often real world failures are the authority on these things. (Not all lecturers/teachers I add)

I was told in the early nineties you can leave college to be on £20 k. Still not happened. I had to get of Horticulture full time.

 

By saying these "encouraging" things they are messing peoples lives up long term. Its a bit like taking on an apprentice and saying when you finish your training I'll Pay you £50k. The training would never finish!!!!!

[Old Mill Tree Care]

Thats the college attitude, same with school, you can be the best you are brilliant, many leave thinking these often real world failures are the authority on these things. (Not all lecturers/teachers I add)

I was told in the early nineties you can leave college to be on £20 k. Still not happened. I had to get of Horticulture full time.

 

By saying these "encouraging" things they are messing peoples lives up long term. Its a bit like taking on an apprentice and saying when you finish your training I'll Pay you £50k. The training would never finish!!!!!

 

Exactly:thumbup1: