Chainsaw update training to become mandatory for all operatives from Oct 2013

[easy-lift guy]

Do you have any credible source for that claim, or is it something you just make up for the occasion?

 

United Kingdom is FAR FROM being the most heavily taxed country Tax rates of Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and w.r.t. regulations, please provinde a source for that claim.

 

Morton, how about a 20 % VAT TAX, on nearly every transaction:thumbdown:

Maybe the super high fuel taxes:thumbdown:.

Nothing to make up, or perhaps your so use to high taxes on so many things

another opinion where taxes are very low in comparison does not compute?

FYI, I have visited the UK last year and I can vouch for my opinion.

easy-lift guy

[Craobh]

There has to be training that is for sure .......I was trying to hit at the point that the docs posted here would only refer to softwood stands lol obviously I did it badly

 

 

It was not a don't have training it was don't think that it only softwood that causes accidents

[Eddy_t]

IMO it should apply to everyone, a demo of what you know, teach a few new skills, and you're done, what it shouldn't be is an assessor reteaching what you already know, nor should it be the price it is! I work with blokes who need refreshers (IMO) but as its an advisory who the hell does it?

It's down to the operator at the end of the day, can you say you know it all? Do you want to push trainers to teach new stuff, or is what you know sufficient? Between cs31/32 they only teach a handful of cuts as standard!

 

 

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[Craobh]

IMO it should apply to everyone, a demo of what you know, teach a few new skills, and you're done, what it shouldn't be is an assessor reteaching what you already know, nor should it be the price it is! I work with blokes who need refreshers (IMO) but as its an advisory who the hell does it?

It's down to the operator at the end of the day, can you say you know it all? Do you want to push trainers to teach new stuff, or is what you know sufficient? Between cs31/32 they only teach a handful of cuts as standard!

 

 

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You put it way better than me lol and that a balanced approach

 

 

However (and I don't by any stretch know it all .....I know a stamps worth ....maybe) I would give lessons to the powers that be .......however the presentation they may not like lmao ..............It would be stand there watch listen and ya might learn something and at the end I'll answer questions but if ya yap when I'm cutting my caulk will meet the part of your anatomy you seem to use the most ..........your rear end

[Rich2484]

It will stop nothing. Simples

 

Untrained people will still do this job. Either forestry or domestic. Still get the white vans with the toe ball on the back driving around (dont worry love if we damage your driveway we know who can replace it for ya) type people.

 

Plus its on about refresher not first off training and certification. So will target those who have Certs in the first place not those that don't.

 

So better to have nothing as you are not on there system for them to chase you about refresher training then????

[treequip]

Morton, how about a 20 % VAT TAX, on nearly every transaction:thumbdown:

Maybe the super high fuel taxes:thumbdown:.

Nothing to make up, or perhaps your so use to high taxes on so many things

another opinion where taxes are very low in comparison does not compute?

FYI, I have visited the UK last year and I can vouch for my opinion.

easy-lift guy

 

You are as wrong bout this as all the other things, you visited one country for a week or so.

 

Hardly comprehensive.

 

FYI the UK vat at 20% is the lower end of things some are as high as 25% until fairly recently we were at 17.5% and that was the low lows

 

European Union value added tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[PhilBeech]

It's not about stopping rogues. It's about addressing complacency.

 

Most individuals in this industry do not like negative feedback. It can't hurt to have someone look over your shoulder now and then and say 'watch that mate' or 'good stuff there'.

 

My beef is with the poor subbie shouldering the cost yet again while the management companies take the cash and say look how switched on and wonderful they are to the HSE.

 

Most people like some feedback now and then, particularly the younger guys and girls.

[steve@black]

Standards slip but of course this affects none of the people here. Standard setting with an instructor or an assessor every ow and again cant be a bad thing surely.

[Craobh]

It will stop nothing. Simples

 

Untrained people will still do this job. Either forestry or domestic. Still get the white vans with the toe ball on the back driving around (dont worry love if we damage your driveway we know who can replace it for ya) type people.

 

Plus its on about refresher not first off training and certification. So will target those who have Certs in the first place not those that don't.

 

So better to have nothing as you are not on there system for them to chase you about refresher training then????

 

You got a fair point there bro :thumbup:

 

targeting the good guys ain't gonna stop the bad guys

[Craobh]

You are as wrong bout this as all the other things, you visited one country for a week or so.

 

Hardly comprehensive.

 

FYI the UK vat at 20% is the lower end of things some are as high as 25% until fairly recently we were at 17.5% and that was the low lows

 

European Union value added tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Bro I'm not defending anyone nor am I gonna fight with ya either but I pay tax both sides of the pond and to every American the tax system here (VAT) looks huge. \We pay 6-7cent in the $ on non food goods (not petrol it taxed before ya pay for it) and 2cent in the $ on consumables (food stuffs) petrol at home just now is $3.50 a gallon.

 

 

When you go into a store stateside the price you see isn't what ya pay, it before tax (except petrol what ya see is what ya pay) sales tax is added at the check out.

 

 

So to someone from the states it looks and feels very heavily taxed here.