maggie thatcher

[WorcsWuss]

I do 1,true 2, not at all, IMHO working class people have been conned into thinking they are equal to the higher classes with checkout girls having new cars on finance ect, all very well till the tory economy went tits up, then see who they protect/help Bankers/Rich & stuff little working class girl after all she's only working class, her only crime was that she was so nieve/uneducated that she believed they were on her side!

 

Ludicrous levels of personal debt were a labour phenomenon, and not in the watered down Tory way, but in the good old fashioned socialist way of entitlement.

When all is said and done though, you can blame Thatcher and the Tories, or labour or your mother, as much as you like, but we chose that path as individuals.

If we stretch our personal finances we do so of our own free will, not because anyone tells us to or 'because we think we're upper class' (for what it's worth, generally the upper classes don't have a pot to piss in, never mind a new car!)

Placing responsibility onto the state for our own mistakes is ridiculous and a typically left wing attitude, it was this attitude that saw so many sitting on their hands waiting to be saved. No be can live your life for you.....

[geoff]

all this can't believe talk is indicative of brainwashing through media ie i have read it so it must be true, quite sad really, but there you go

 

And more codswallop..

 

Get off the brainwashing theary,your going to make me wet myself laughing!

 

 

[geoff]

Ludicrous levels of personal debt were a labour phenomenon, and not in the watered down Tory way, but in the good old fashioned socialist way of entitlement.

When all is said and done though, you can blame Thatcher and the Tories, or labour or your mother, as much as you like, but we chose that path as individuals.

If we stretch our personal finances we do so of our own free will, not because anyone tells us to or 'because we think we're upper class' (for what it's worth, generally the upper classes don't have a pot to piss in, never mind a new car!)

Placing responsibility onto the state for our own mistakes is ridiculous and a typically left wing attitude, it was this attitude that saw so many sitting on their hands waiting to be saved. No be can live your life for you.....

 

Good post .

[RobArb]

I disagree with everything everybody says:001_rolleyes:

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

[geoff]

I disagree with everything everybody says:001_rolleyes:

 

Good point!

[scotspine1]

don't believe all the bullshit you read, sensationalist:0 crap fed to the uneducated masses:001_tt2:

 

What part of recent British history dont you understand?

 

It's common knowledge that trade union leaders in the 70s only goal was to undermine industry here in Britain. They were communists, this isn't open for debate, it's a fact.

 

Derek Robinson (trade unionist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

"between 1978 and 1979 Mr Robinson was credited with causing 523 walk-outs at Longbridge, costing an estimated £200m in lost production".

 

He stood as a Communist candidate in four consecutive General Elections in Birmingham, Northfield between 1966 and 1974,

 

Jack Jones (trade unionist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

In the authorised history of MI5 The Defence Of The Realm, the author Christopher Andrew, using Gordievsky as his source, claimed that Jones passed Labour Party documents to the Soviets for cash, with the last payments to Jones occurring in 1984.

 

'is held responsible by some in the Labour Party for being "the union leader that created the winter of discontent and 18 years of Conservative Party (UK) rule."[7]

 

The links between communists, the Labour Party in the 70s and the Soviet Union are well documented

 

Also on a personal level, I've spoken to many people here in Glasgow over the years who attended union meetings in the 1970s where union leaders and reps would continually say, 'we have to do everything we can to disrupt the management'. If you didn't fall into to line with the unions you were blacklisted and shunned by other workers.

 

It was out of control and Thatcher thankfully put an end to it.

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

What part of recent British history dont you understand?

 

It's common knowledge that trade union leaders in the 70s only goal was to undermine industry here in Britain. They were communists, this isn't open for debate, it's a fact.

 

Derek Robinson (trade unionist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

"between 1978 and 1979 Mr Robinson was credited with causing 523 walk-outs at Longbridge, costing an estimated £200m in lost production".

 

He stood as a Communist candidate in four consecutive General Elections in Birmingham, Northfield between 1966 and 1974,

 

Jack Jones (trade unionist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

In the authorised history of MI5 The Defence Of The Realm, the author Christopher Andrew, using Gordievsky as his source, claimed that Jones passed Labour Party documents to the Soviets for cash, with the last payments to Jones occurring in 1984.

 

'is held responsible by some in the Labour Party for being "the union leader that created the winter of discontent and 18 years of Conservative Party (UK) rule."[7]

 

The links between communists, the Labour Party in the 70s and the Soviet Union are well documented

 

Also on a personal level, I've spoken to many people here in Glasgow over the years who attended union meetings in the 1970s where union leaders and reps would continually say, 'we have to do everything we can to disrupt the management'. If you didn't fall into to line with the unions you were blacklisted and shunned by other workers.

 

It was out of control and Thatcher thankfully put an end to it.

 

I'm mate; other thread refs to satan and here seems pro ???

[egnsean]

Ludicrous levels of personal debt were a labour phenomenon, and not in the watered down Tory way, but in the good old fashioned socialist way of entitlement.

When all is said and done though, you can blame Thatcher and the Tories, or labour or your mother, as much as you like, but we chose that path as individuals.

If we stretch our personal finances we do so of our own free will, not because anyone tells us to or 'because we think we're upper class' (for what it's worth, generally the upper classes don't have a pot to piss in, never mind a new car!)

Placing responsibility onto the state for our own mistakes is ridiculous and a typically left wing attitude, it was this attitude that saw so many sitting on their hands waiting to be saved. No be can live your life for you.....

as i remember it under OLD labour the banks would would lend you approx 2.5 times your annual income for mortgage purposes under Torys & New Labour/Torys that jumped to upto 7 times your your annual income, IRRESPONSIBLE lending anyone???

[geoff]

as i remember it under OLD labour the banks would would lend you approx 2.5 times your annual income for mortgage purposes under Torys & New Labour/Torys that jumped to upto 7 times your your annual income, IRRESPONSIBLE lending anyone???

 

New labour were labour,not consevatives.,Brown encouraged daft lending,& look where that got us...