Margaret Thatcher RIP

[arbogrunt]

same...for both!

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

it totally baffles me why the mainstream parties refuse to let the people have a referendum on the EU. I shall be voting UKIP, I've had enough of the 3 party circus-chimps

 

+1 (ukip)

[Lee Winger]

Hoping for a snap election then!

I'd be off like a flash if I could. (Too old)

 

Council election coming up, Oz isn't without its problems too, to start the place is mega expensive and the £ is mega low.....

[Chunkymunky]

I suspect ukip will do pretty well this year if they pull their finger out.

[WorcsWuss]

My concern with ukip is that the're a one trick pony.

Assuming they get in rather than split the vote enough to let that slimy little twerp red Ed, union bitch, sneak in, and they get us out of Europe.

Then what? Not sure their ability to properly implement policies is up to it yet.

The real answer, if you want out of Europe, is to lobby your Conservative MP.

Write to them a lot, if enough people say they want it, they'll go with it, if they genuinely believe it's a vote winner.

Right now the europhile voice is louder, doesn't mean they're the majority, just that they lobby harder.

There are Tory mp's who want a referendum, Bill Wiggin is one. He told that there isn't one on the cards because too many mp's think they need to stay in.

If enough constituents can convince their own mp we just may get one.

That's how a democracy works, I get eternally frustrated how few people use their right to lobby to it's full extent.

Mp's aren't all bad you know, some of them do give a toss and will spare time to help if you ask.

[geoff]

My concern with ukip is that the're a one trick pony.

Assuming they get in rather than split the vote enough to let that slimy little twerp red Ed, union bitch, sneak in, and they get us out of Europe.

Then what? Not sure their ability to properly implement policies is up to it yet.

The real answer, if you want out of Europe, is to lobby your Conservative MP.

Write to them a lot, if enough people say they want it, they'll go with it, if they genuinely believe it's a vote winner.

Right now the europhile voice is louder, doesn't mean they're the majority, just that they lobby harder.

There are Tory mp's who want a referendum, Bill Wiggin is one. He told that there isn't one on the cards because too many mp's think they need to stay in.

If enough constituents can convince their own mp we just may get one.

That's how a democracy works, I get eternally frustrated how few people use their right to lobby to it's full extent.

Mp's aren't all bad you know, some of them do give a toss and will spare time to help if you ask.

 

Very good post in my opinion.

[skyhuck]

My concern with ukip is that the're a one trick pony.

Assuming they get in rather than split the vote enough to let that slimy little twerp red Ed, union bitch, sneak in, and they get us out of Europe.

Then what? Not sure their ability to properly implement policies is up to it yet.

The real answer, if you want out of Europe, is to lobby your Conservative MP.

Write to them a lot, if enough people say they want it, they'll go with it, if they genuinely believe it's a vote winner.

Right now the europhile voice is louder, doesn't mean they're the majority, just that they lobby harder.

There are Tory mp's who want a referendum, Bill Wiggin is one. He told that there isn't one on the cards because too many mp's think they need to stay in.

If enough constituents can convince their own mp we just may get one.

That's how a democracy works, I get eternally frustrated how few people use their right to lobby to it's full extent.

Mp's aren't all bad you know, some of them do give a toss and will spare time to help if you ask.

 

Voting Ukip will make the others sit up and take notice, then they will change their polices.

 

Remember the Greens?? they were getting lots of votes, so what happened?? the other parties became more green:sneaky2:

[Lee Winger]

The only way they will let us leave Europe is through war, I mean look at Greece's fiasco and they still refused to let the Eu experiment fail, and how many refferendums did Ireland have until the EU got the result they wanted!

 

Lots of people think UKIP is a red herring

Edited April 11, 2013 by Lee Winger

[Lee Winger]

My concern with ukip is that the're a one trick pony.

Assuming they get in rather than split the vote enough to let that slimy little twerp red Ed, union bitch, sneak in, and they get us out of Europe.

Then what? Not sure their ability to properly implement policies is up to it yet.

The real answer, if you want out of Europe, is to lobby your Conservative MP.

Write to them a lot, if enough people say they want it, they'll go with it, if they genuinely believe it's a vote winner.

Right now the europhile voice is louder, doesn't mean they're the majority, just that they lobby harder.

There are Tory mp's who want a referendum, Bill Wiggin is one. He told that there isn't one on the cards because too many mp's think they need to stay in.

If enough constituents can convince their own mp we just may get one.

That's how a democracy works, I get eternally frustrated how few people use their right to lobby to it's full extent.

Mp's aren't all bad you know, some of them do give a toss and will spare time to help if you ask.

 

Good post except for one major flaw, Libreral , Labour or conservative, they're different bricks but the same mortar! mere puppets of big businesss...

[WorcsWuss]

Voting Ukip will make the others sit up and take notice, then they will change their polices.

 

Remember the Greens?? they were getting lots of votes, so what happened?? the other parties became more green:sneaky2:

 

Only if it takes votes away from ALL parties, which I don't feel it will. Only conservative based parties will be interested in the ukip vote I reckon, the core left / socialist vote & parties are well out of this Europe debate. If the euro-sceptic conservative parties start bickering amongst themselves the door is open for the Labour Party to sweep back in. Europe is a federal socialist utopia, the Labour Party will NEVER turn it's back on that...

 

Good post except for one major flaw, Libreral , Labour or conservative, they're different bricks but the same mortar! mere puppets of big businesss...

 

True, it's the voters which differ, not the politicians. Although the politicians are virtually all identikit, a heavily lobbied labour mp will take a different path to a heavily lobbied Tory.

Take the hunting ban, prime example. Would never have happened under the Tories. But of course so long as they're tied to the liberals, there's nothing they can do about it.

 

My personal opinion is that for the greater good we need a government which is capitalist, centre right, euro-sceptic. Liberalism would be bad because we would be taken advantage of by other nations, socialism would be bad because we get taken advantage of from within.

So that leaves us with the Tories who, for all their innumerable faults, do come down on the side of only getting what you earn but anyone can have a crack at earning. I couldn't really given a hoot what they get up to in their personal lives so long as I can make decent honest living with minimal interference.