Christians on arbtalk?

[butler]

Interested to know the reason the original person wanted to know?

 

This has been covered allready but.....op was my brother, he rang me and said there is a guy on arbtalk with a bible verse as his footnote, maybe he's a Christian, I replyed why don't you start a thread to find out:001_smile:

[Sam Thompson]

Interestingly, I love the bible. I've read it 3 or 4 times. I think it is a fantastic book, and very quotable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But so is treasure island, I think Long John Silver would be an ace god.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

10,000 views and 400 replies!

[RobArb]

Because it's an immotive subject...

 

Does anyone remember a couple of years ago, there was a drama (fictional but thought provoking) on itv with christopher eccleston who was a down and out alcoholic who disappeared for 2 weeks and came back thinking he was the son of god? No one believed him till miracles started happening (turning night into day at maine road, surviving an explosion etc) and then every one started to "believe"

 

Once he had got everyones attention he managed to denounce religion completely.. Suddenly all the wars stopped, and the world was a happier, quieter place to live.....

 

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[TRADITIONAL LOGGERS]

Religions should allow people to decide not constant pushing to believe. Jainism seem to have the correct attitude.

[Beardie]

basing your life on a book some people wrote a several hundred years ago is a tad silly....

 

So "Sylva, or A Discourse of Forest-Trees and the Propagation of Timber" (published 1662) is also out.

[alex_m]

So "Sylva, or A Discourse of Forest-Trees and the Propagation of Timber" (published 1662) is also out.

 

Well, basing your love life on that book could prove interesting...

[Frankie Lawrence]

Buddism

[Fungus]

But a virgin giving birth and a bloke dying and then turning up again are perfectly believable.

Sam,

It is perfectly believable if you interpret it the way it originally was ment to be understood. Both phenomenons are stages in the life cycle of the Fly Agaric, the Holy or Sacred Mushroom.

In the old days and even today - for instance the Russian orthodox Turkic Sakha people or Yakuts from the Verkhoyansk Range in Siberia - because of the psycho-active muscimol the dried caps of Amanita muscaria contain, the shamans and high priestesses used the Fly Agaric as an entheogen to contact and communicate with the gods by performing rituals and ceremonies.

The christian faith is based on the pagan tradition of using psycho-active mushrooms and plants to elicit hallucinations to experience "enlightenment" and "inner vision". The bible is a book written by people who were followers of the same (secret) cult and had experienced the effects of the use of entheogens too (Allegro, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross). They worshipped the Holy Mushroom by the eating of its flesh (Golden Fleece, bread, host) and drinking of its blood (red wine) from the chalice of life (the shape of a Fly Agaric in its final stage : see photo) symbolized in a non-existing person : Jesus, representing the red and white Fly Agaric, to mystify the real object of their worship and religion.

The role of the shamans was taken over by the clergymen of the roman catholic church, who integrated the pagan rituals in the ceremonies of the early church. Even today the main colours used for the clothing of the pope, cardinals and bishops and the display in the church are red, white and gold, the colour of the cap of the Fly Agaric after its has been dried.

From the beginning of the 13th century on (inquisition) the christian church has tried to "eradicate" all that remembers of the real "roots" of the religion and from then on lives in complete denial of its pagan origins.

Now to return to your statement. Virgin Mary was the daughter of Anna, the evergreen spruce, from which roots her "daughter", the (symbiotic) Fly Agaric or Mary emerges. Just as her mother Anna the tree, mushroom Mary became pregnant through the "miracle" of immaculate conception and "gave birth to" another mushroom, Jesus the Fly Agaric, coming from a Cosmic Egg or primordium, which is the first stage in the life cycle of Amanita muscaria. The mushroom slowly dies, is "recycled" and "resurrects" the next year from the roots of the grandmother tree, the spruce.

Until the invention of microscopes people could not see sperm nor spores of fungi, so they could not explain how the reproduction of animals and mushrooms took place. They did however understand that there was a relationship between the roots of certain trees such as the spruce or the birch and the mycelia of certain (ectomycorrhizal) fungi such as the Fly Agaric. So to "explain" the reproductive cycle of Amanita muscaria, they "invented" the immaculate conception of Anna and her "daughter" Mary. See : Astrotheology & Shamanism, a review.

In Lübeck in Germany there is one of the very few intact triptychs symbolically depicting the complete life cycle of the Fly Agaric at display, that survived the 16th century iconoclastic fury (see photo). In the Tree of Jesse or the "pedigree" of Jesus, from the hearts of Anna - the spruce - and her "husband" Joachim roots rise up that join together in a golden Cosmic Egg or primordium, out of which a wide spread cap with gills of Amanita muscaria in the shape of a chalice of life emerges, with Mary, a fully grown Fly Agaric sitting inside holding baby Jesus, the from her "womb" new born Fly Agaric, in her lap. Note that Joseph is not around and that the roots also "fruit" by producing spruce cones.

Edited March 4, 2012 by Fungus

[Treecreeper1961]

Wow Fungus, that is really something. I like the sound of it.

Is Amanita muscaria found in the Holy Land or Middle East? I gather it is found in many parts of the world, but not there.