Does the splice on your rope fit through your rope guide?

[bob]

try a Yale splice

it is not 26mm

will check but sure I have 1 that fits

[John Shutler]

Just to confirm. There is no way that ANY 13mm rope splice can go though this device. I've tried folding the rope in half and squeezing it really tight and even standing on it and it just won't fit. You don't have 26mm of clearance in the cocoon. By no way, even pulling and tugging, the rope cannot physically get through. It's a shame, cos this is the only thing letting it down.

 

And I think this is a big shame as ART claim this to be 13mm compatible. I'll still use it, and I'll buy an 11mm rope to fit it, but to claim a product is compatible when it clearly isn't is wrong. It's like you telling a customer you will thin a tree, take the cash then get there and say you can only fell it.

 

Is it sewn or spliced?

[skyhuck]

Just to confirm. There is no way that ANY 13mm rope splice can go though this device. I've tried folding the rope in half and squeezing it really tight and even standing on it and it just won't fit. You don't have 26mm of clearance in the cocoon. By no way, even pulling and tugging, the rope cannot physically get through. It's a shame, cos this is the only thing letting it down.

 

And I think this is a big shame as ART claim this to be 13mm compatible. I'll still use it, and I'll buy an 11mm rope to fit it, but to claim a product is compatible when it clearly isn't is wrong. It's like you telling a customer you will thin a tree, take the cash then get there and say you can only fell it.

 

A good splice is not as thick as a folded rope, I think they take some of the core out.

[WeeDee]

Just to confirm. There is no way that ANY 13mm rope splice can go though this device. I've tried folding the rope in half and squeezing it really tight and even standing on it and it just won't fit. You don't have 26mm of clearance in the cocoon. By no way, even pulling and tugging, the rope cannot physically get through. It's a shame, cos this is the only thing letting it down.

 

And I think this is a big shame as ART claim this to be 13mm compatible. I'll still use it, and I'll buy an 11mm rope to fit it, but to claim a product is compatible when it clearly isn't is wrong. It's like you telling a customer you will thin a tree, take the cash then get there and say you can only fell it.

 

ART might define 'compatible' in the sense that a 13mm rope will run through the sheave and when retrieving the RG - the clean end of the rope is to be used.

[samthescam]

Is it sewn or spliced?

 

Spliced. If it helps I can post a pic. I wouldn't use a sewn eye as my main line attachment.

[John Shutler]

Spliced. If it helps I can post a pic. I wouldn't use a sewn eye as my main line attachment.

 

Why not?

[WeeDee]

I wouldn't use a sewn eye as my main line attachment.

 

Why not?

 

 

(sorry John)

[Marc]

Just to confirm. There is no way that ANY 13mm rope splice can go though this device. I've tried folding the rope in half and squeezing it really tight and even standing on it and it just won't fit. You don't have 26mm of clearance in the cocoon. By no way, even pulling and tugging, the rope cannot physically get through. It's a shame, cos this is the only thing letting it down.

 

And I think this is a big shame as ART claim this to be 13mm compatible. I'll still use it, and I'll buy an 11mm rope to fit it, but to claim a product is compatible when it clearly isn't is wrong. It's like you telling a customer you will thin a tree, take the cash then get there and say you can only fell it.

 

Stange, I think what Steve is getting at is cut the shroud off (very carefully) but maybe depending on the splice it may simply not fit through. Some will though, a colleague of mine has 13mm Samson and it fits through the Cocoon no problems

 

So it is compatible with 13mm rope just not all 13mm rope splice construction from the sounds of it.

The Cocoon is a sexy bit of engineering from ART but I think the Link is a better tool for this use. I've seen cocoons break on impact with hard surfaces, ok your not supposed to bomb it but lets face we do. I've also seen them develop razor sharp edges where the rope has worn the sides - not great on soft rope!

[samthescam]

ART might define 'compatible' in the sense that a 13mm rope will run through the sheave and when retrieving the RG - the clean end of the rope is to be used.

 

Taken that into account. And also have read skyhuck and what he has to pay about not at thick as 26mm. However I truly don't think that any sort of reasonable splice will fit through it.

 

By the letter of the law and politicians arguments your correct. However I see art as a company who produce stuff to make your life easier... Having to pull all your rope through, clearly doesn't do that. If they simply stated that it's for 11mm line or developed a way of opening up the cocoon would make the product much better. And my way of business is to be honest about what I can do... If I do a bad job I might get paid but it's not a long view way to do business.

[samthescam]

Why not?

 

 

(sorry John)

 

I've been told they are not as strong. Probs rubbish, but I just have avoided them in the past.