HSE Madness

[skyhuck]

Did any of the incident attendees decent the hole to comfort and give first aid?

If no-one did, then that is unforgivable

 

 

Sent from my iPhone cos it was

 

Yes Dean, but the they would not use the same rope to bring her out

[Mortimer Firewood]

My farther in law joined the fire service when he was 17 he had to do a year for free as you could not join properly till your were 18 he recently told me how much it had changed instead of the get in there and get them out attitude they are all now warned of impending law suits that will be slapped on them. He loved the fire service but walked out 2 years ago due to hse regs and the way the fire service has been run.

[geoff]

I got a large dumper off a bloke who had managed to run himself over with it,it had stalled on his pelvis after mushing his leg,he was pinned in a wheel rut with only his head above water.

One bystander had to be removed from the imediate scene as he was trying to prevent rescue,(told him he would be the next one needing help if he persisted),I got the help of one other bystander(we where on a roadside),& whinched the machine up & off the trapped man,& gently removed him from the water.

I asked the victim if he wanted me to 'get it off him' before I proceeded,and made sure others heard his response,which was not hard as he made it all to obvious he was in agreement.

Fire brigade arrived about 20 mins after I had him out & even though he had very nasty leg injuries the machine was off him within 4 minutes of the accident,if he had remained trapped the consequencies could have been a lot worse.

I would do it again in a heartbeat if I considdered time to be an issue to the victims chances,& sod the legal guff.

[scotspine1]

Without getting into the specifics of this situation you clearly haven’t a clue what you are talking about, a tailgate is a perfect tailgate and is the most unsuitable spinal board you could devise, if you knew anything about casualty management you would know this.

 

I was kidding. The point was obviously lost on you.

 

People earlier in the thread were implying you should do nothing, do nothing at all and just let someone else deal with it.

 

How do you think the first rescues were ever carried out? long before we had emergency services people used their imagination and whatever was at hand, the trouble with people these days is that they've lost the ability to think on their feet and adapt to a situation. Instead they choose to do nothing for fear of doing something wrong.

[combined tree services]

Without getting into the specifics of this situation you clearly haven’t a clue what you are talking about, a tailgate is a perfect tailgate and is the most unsuitable spinal board you could devise, if you knew anything about casualty management you would know this.

 

The first rule of first aid is Primum non nocere (first do no harm) if you find me in need of help please call someone who knows what they are doing.

 

well said ,

[combined tree services]

There was a spinal board there and trained paramedics!!

 

All that was need was some one with the practical ability and balls to use what ever equipment was at hand to get her out, a great many of us on here wold have got that done!!!

 

CTS, all that legal stuff is well and good, but in this country you end up in front of a guy in a wig and despite what people claim most of them are pretty sensible, thats why I asked for a real example of a prosecution.

 

In reality if you are trying to do the right thing, for the right reasons, you will be fine.

 

Huck , i would love to have the patience to find specific cases , Most of us would do everything and anything we could to help in any emergecy situation , my intention was to mearly point out just how carefull a person needs to be in such a situation . For sure i would do al that i could to help but i would also be mindfull to ensure i did not potentially make a casualtys situation worse .

[combined tree services]

I was kidding. The point was obviously lost on you.

 

People earlier in the thread were implying you should do nothing, do nothing at all and just let someone else deal with it.

 

How do you think the first rescues were ever carried out? long before we had emergency services people used their imagination and whatever was at hand, the trouble with people these days is that they've lost the ability to think on their feet and adapt to a situation. Instead they choose to do nothing for fear of doing something wrong.

 

In such a case that a nest stretcher was on site then i would be happy to stabilise the casualty and prepare them to be extracted , having had training in such situations i know am aware just how easily things can go wrong and quickly .

 

not every rescue in the early days was a success , and it was not common that a casualty would make a full recovery .

[born2trot]

I got a large dumper off a bloke who had managed to run himself over with it,it had stalled on his pelvis after mushing his leg,he was pinned in a wheel rut with only his head above water.

One bystander had to be removed from the imediate scene as he was trying to prevent rescue,(told him he would be the next one needing help if he persisted),I got the help of one other bystander(we where on a roadside),& whinched the machine up & off the trapped man,& gently removed him from the water.

I asked the victim if he wanted me to 'get it off him' before I proceeded,and made sure others heard his response,which was not hard as he made it all to obvious he was in agreement.

Fire brigade arrived about 20 mins after I had him out & even though he had very nasty leg injuries the machine was off him within 4 minutes of the accident,if he had remained trapped the consequencies could have been a lot worse.

I would do it again in a heartbeat if I considdered time to be an issue to the victims chances,& sod the legal guff.

 

Thank god theres still people like you out there geoff.

 

The guy that designed the safety equipment that was on site is outraged that it wasn't used as well as mine rescue who were never contacted.

[combined tree services]

Its not the legal stuuf that should be considdered , its the question of could the victims condition be made worse by me attempts to help/rescue , it is only when a poor/uninformed decision is made that all the legal stuff comes into play

[born2trot]

Its not the legal stuuf that should be considdered , its the question of could the victims condition be made worse by me attempts to help/rescue , it is only when a poor/uninformed decision is made that all the legal stuff comes into play

 

Her condition couldn't have got worse SHE DIED.

 

Uninformed decision ? By our best equipped and trained emergency service !!