Is red diesel being phased out in jan 2012?

[Marko]

According to our supplier we have been buying the 'new' red for the last 12 months. We now order less more often to keep it turning over but this doesn't change how old it is before we get it delivered. Best of a bad job.

 

Its a good point about emergency gennys... what should you use?

 

Back to the title of the thread, I think its days are numbered as doing away with red would prevent all the misuse and cost of enforcement in one go.

[gensetsteve]

You can still get the old gas oil or red as its known. It is starting to get harder to find but will always be available for gensets and fire pumps. The new red gives more power and burns cleaner just needs to be stored really well.

[john burgess]

I think you should pay the same amount of money for red diesel as you do for white so there will be no advantage for some people to use it on the road

[Crazy Cutter]

I think you should pay the same amount of money for red diesel as you do for white so there will be no advantage for some people to use it on the road

 

The EU are talking about making it the same across the board. They need all the money they can get at the mo!

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

I think you should pay the same amount of money for red diesel as you do for white so there will be no advantage for some people to use it on the road

 

 

White will have to come down to the price of red then. I would hazard that more red is used legitimately than is not. Red at £1.40/litre would be the death for a LOT of users already struggling.

[tommer9]

I think you should pay the same amount of money for red diesel as you do for white so there will be no advantage for some people to use it on the road

 

The implications of this to world trade would be impossible to fathom. Do you know that the Emma Maersk (worlds largest container ship) burns 1660 litres of diesel per hour? If red prices went up the effect on the cost of fishing alone would have major implications on the world food market, and the knock-on effects would be phenomenal, without even thinking about the effect on agriculture.

[MikeTM150]

right as a farmer here's how i've understood what they are doing, they will phase out 'red' diesel in its current form from a date which i don't think they actually fully agreed on yet (probably have to make a special committe for that:001_tt2:) and then we will have to buy 'white diesel but long as we can prove we use it for non-road uses we can then apply for a rebate on the tax difference. IE what they're hoping is some won't bother and it'll make them more money. This is how i understand it, but in my eye's its only going to make it more difficult to police as who knows which tank i've filled my landy up from?????

 

As for new diesel with the bio-diesel element so far we not had a problem, but we only just getting to the first winter with it sat in tanks longer especially the combine. Which i don't want to drain as i like to start it every few weeks during the winter to keep the anitfreeze mixed up and the oil splashed about the engine.

 

All in all, i'm sure we'll all end up getting done over a little bit more!!!

[Steve Bullman]

right as a farmer here's how i've understood what they are doing, they will phase out 'red' diesel in its current form from a date which i don't think they actually fully agreed on yet (probably have to make a special committe for that:001_tt2:) and then we will have to buy 'white diesel but long as we can prove we use it for non-road uses we can then apply for a rebate on the tax difference. IE what they're hoping is some won't bother and it'll make them more money. This is how i understand it, but in my eye's its only going to make it more difficult to police as who knows which tank i've filled my landy up from?????

 

thats going to create a lot of black market diesel, with farmers selling diesel onto their closer/trusted friends

[gensetsteve]

right as a farmer here's how i've understood what they are doing, they will phase out 'red' diesel in its current form from a date which i don't think they actually fully agreed on yet (probably have to make a special committe for that:001_tt2:) and then we will have to buy 'white diesel but long as we can prove we use it for non-road uses we can then apply for a rebate on the tax difference. IE what they're hoping is some won't bother and it'll make them more money. This is how i understand it, but in my eye's its only going to make it more difficult to police as who knows which tank i've filled my landy up from?????

 

As for new diesel with the bio-diesel element so far we not had a problem, but we only just getting to the first winter with it sat in tanks longer especially the combine. Which i don't want to drain as i like to start it every few weeks during the winter to keep the anitfreeze mixed up and the oil splashed about the engine.

 

All in all, i'm sure we'll all end up getting done over a little bit more!!!

 

I had this bio stuff last winter and my Bobcat waxed on at least 6 occassions. Been running on same fuel until a few weeks ago without changing filters. Once the cold weather went never had any more trouble.

[Tom D]

Never mind the farmers, what about the construction boys! I have seen massive red diesel tanks on building sites, if they were full of white imagine all the different guys on those sites, the bosses could pay overtime in diesel and claim all the tax back.

 

Sounds like a massive can of worms to me.