Self employed rates?

[Mesterh]

No they aren't, chipper ticket is not even a HSE best practice recommendation.

 

Dont forget stump grinders too.

 

Considering that if you have an accident they are the most unforgiving machines in arb, it doesnt really make any sense!

[18 stoner]

If a groundie can climb well he's a climber, not a groundie.

 

But you NEED a groundie who can climb to "rescue"

[Pat Ferrett]

Who came first ?????? the climber or the groundie ?????

[skyhuck]

But you NEED a groundie who can climb to "rescue"

 

No you NEED some one with a bit of paper that says they can

[18 stoner]

Exactly!

 

He is now in the same catagory as the climber!

[skyhuck]

Exactly!

 

He is now in the same catagory as the climber!

 

Rubbish.

 

So he can have the tree dismantled by lunch?????????????????????

 

What you get paid is all about the revenue you are able to generate, the climber is able to do things the climber can't and generally generates far more revenue, some may not like this, but its true.

[18 stoner]

Why RUBBISH? When I say same catagory, I mean as in level quals and tickets Dave. A groundy should have near all the tickets(possibly with exception of dismatling) the climber has and be able to access a tree QUICKLY!

 

He will have many more abilities than just climbing/rescue tickets. He should as I said earlier be able to organise site, and in fact be able to do ANY job there. The climber does not need these varied abilities.

 

It is all about a fair balance. I am not discredirting the value of a climber, more the fact a true groundy is underrated AND under valued. The comparisons of a climber being worth twice a groundies wage are not on.

 

As for production, you may have the best climber in the country in the tree but crap groundy will slow production down, and in worse case will make a site dangerous.

 

The thread is about rates and there has been a comparison been drawn between climbers and groundies. The margin between them is not realistic IMO, nothing more.

[Mark Bolam]

No they aren't, chipper ticket is not even a HSE best practice recommendation.

 

We have been bought in twice this year to chip brash because HSE kicked the landscapers off site because none of their lads had a (hired) chipper ticket.

 

I just don't know what the rules are any more Dave.

 

I got the ticket in exchange for my Blue Peter badge.

 

I'm beginning to think I got shafted....

[skyhuck]

Your getting confused Pete.

 

The climber or the groundie may also be the site manager/foreman and any number of other important job, but they don't have to be.

 

And most aren't

 

What your describing is normally the boss or team leader, they are often also a climber or groundie.

[skyhuck]

We have been bought in twice this year to chip brash because HSE kicked the landscapers off site because none of their lads had a (hired) chipper ticket.

 

I just don't know what the rules are any more Dave.

 

I got the ticket in exchange for my Blue Peter badge.

 

I'm beginning to think I got shafted....

 

I think that will be down to the H&S policy of the firm you are subbing too, not the HSE.