Where does your loyalty lie?

[mrtree]

They are talking about their needs, not the tree's.

 

We are a service industry and provide a service to the customer not the tree.

 

Thats life, as a tree cutter.

 

Trees don't need us, never have, never will!!!

 

And there I think lies the ultimate problem with the tree industry, virtually every single tree service, arborist, forester etc., is a tree cutter, running a business to make money by any means. This is the attitude and position that drives the tree industry. As an industry we are not arborists or hortilculturalists we a bunch of guys looking for ways to use our chainsaws and chippers.

 

Repeatedly in this and other threads we see the fall back position that I am just a tree cutter and the implication, explicit or not, is that I cannot try to do something better ecological or different as the tree always has to be cut (in the end). There is an inherent fall back position that I can't do anything but cut and there is a hatred of knowledge and those with it. In many threads where we are talking possibilities the answer for many is that possibilities to deal with trees does not need to be talked about because either the tree owners wants the tree cut, the tree is always dangerous, I know the tree will fail, or I am doing what the tree owner wants. Never do we see the majority trying to move the business of arboriculture forward with knowledge and reasoning.

 

When will the tree industry move out of the age of the TREEANDERTHAL and start to evolve to where knowledge matters?

[Steve Bullman]

 

There is an inherent fall back position that I can't do anything but cut and there is a hatred of knowledge and those with it.

 

nonsense

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

nonsense

 

Only in that there is hatred for those with knowledge, which is not true.

 

There is a lot of truth in Mr trees statement.

[Frank]

So what can we do?? I believe we have already assatained that there is no money in going round telling every tree owner that their tree probably wont fall over and is a good home to beetles, so we need to pay our household bills in other ways, this involves getting a job outside of arboriculture and leaving even less time to worry about trees and ecology.

 

So Mr Tree, what do you suggest we do?? I bet every "tree cutter" on this forum would love to be able to get paid to go round and view amazing trees, maybe even climb some, without getting covered in sawdust and chain oil, without having to drag logs 300 yards to the van. This isnt going to happen around here so what should I do?? I love veteran trees, i love the thought of nature being untouched, I love the thought of wilderness where nature does as nature does, but I also love climbing trees and messing with chainsaws.

I also know that that In nearly 10 years I have only had A handfull of private customers who would even contemplate leaving a pile of wood as habitat, let alone a standing dead or potentially dangerous tree, or a monolithed stem.

Only on large estate work have we been able to push this sort of empathy for nature.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

So what can we do?? I believe we have already assatained that there is no money in going round telling every tree owner that their tree probably wont fall over and is a good home to beetles, so we need to pay our household bills in other ways, this involves getting a job outside of arboriculture and leaving even less time to worry about trees and ecology.

 

So Mr Tree, what do you suggest we do?? I bet every "tree cutter" on this forum would love to be able to get paid to go round and view amazing trees, maybe even climb some, without getting covered in sawdust and chain oil, without having to drag logs 300 yards to the van. This isnt going to happen around here so what should I do?? I love veteran trees, i love the thought of nature being untouched, I love the thought of wilderness where nature does as nature does, but I also love climbing trees and messing with chainsaws.

I also know that that In nearly 10 years I have only had A handfull of private customers who would even contemplate leaving a pile of wood as habitat, let alone a standing dead or potentially dangerous tree, or a monolithed stem.

Only on large estate work have we been able to push this sort of empathy for nature.

 

But you try!

 

and i know you have the bug!

[Stephen Blair]

Only in that there is hatred for those with knowledge, which is not true.

 

There is a lot of truth in Mr trees statement.

 

Is that your defense? Lol.

 

Well if we are just thuggish tree cutters, surely the highly inteligent fungi guys could over throw us with their superior knowledge.

 

We are just obviously better at our jobs than they are at theirs, simples!!!

 

So stop crying about it do do something, if Jo public are so easily swayed you should have it done by din dins

[mrtree]

So Mr Tree, what do you suggest we do??

 

Don't worry there will always be a need for tree cutters.

 

What I suggest is education for all, tree industry and the public. With some knowledge there will be more need for educated arborists and there will be more trees and trees with fewer problems.

 

I suppose when the tree industry as a whole is esteemed by the public in the same manner as landscape architects, and we are professionals and considered professionals by the public then we will be in a better place.

 

This whole thread has been wrong in my opinion, there is not a dichotomy with tree preservation on one side and tree cutters on the other. The question should be more to the effect, are you willing to use your knowledge to do the best for not only the tree owner but communities of humans and other organisms?

 

I likely have cut more trees than any other person on this board. I have cleared hundreds of acres of invasive trees in grasslands, I have burnt grasslands, I have removed perfectly healthy trees, I have created wildlife habitat, I have planted trees, I have written about trees, I have educated people, and I have tried to make something of a difference. If every person working on trees where to read one book about trees and were to go out and touch trees then I would not worry so much about the state of the industry or the world.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Is that your defense? Lol.

 

Well if we are just thuggish tree cutters, surely the highly inteligent fungi guys could over throw us with their superior knowledge.

 

We are just obviously better at our jobs than they are at theirs, simples!!!

 

So stop crying about it do do something, if Jo public are so easily swayed you should have it done by din dins

 

Stephen, you enjoy what YOU do, so do I, I used to be like you, loved it, now i love this, this is what I DO, I dont hold what you do against you, and would never try to stop you doing it, but i will ALWAYS present a polar view, for it is only fair and right that I do so.

 

somebody has to:001_cool:

[Frank]

But you try!

 

and i know you have the bug!

 

Its easy to want to give up trying when you are being asked to take down veteran beech trees down and grind the stumps house so they can build houses on the land.

[greengrafter]

If joe public were educated in tree stuff i.e right tree in the right place etc in the future there would be hardly any work for any of us.