MS200 One Handed follow on poll

[Dean Lofthouse]

Has anyone thought of the complications and costs arising from bringing in another CS unit or additional advanced courses?

 

Would all employers have to get there staff on another course or risk not complying with there care of duty/insurance requirements etc.

 

Or is it just me being a tight git:blushing:

 

you are a tight git

 

It would be nice if employers didn't send novices up trees as soon as they leave the college gates and let them become saw aware before they start doing dismantles.

 

My groundy has done two years with me and has been at college throughout that one week per month. Friday was the first time I allowed him up a tree with a chainsaw.

 

If everyone did the same, accident statistics would come down. Following afag rules to the letter as Kev suggests, is not a safety net and guarantee that accidents will not occur.

 

Again, I am using an anology which might not be appropriate but it is like driving, when you are doing you lessons you have to think intensley about everything you do, after a couple of years driving you do it automatically and relaxed, you can, shall we say, multitask without thinking about it.

 

Sending someone up a tree straight after training is IMO barmey. They should first be able to operate a saw with thinking about it, climb on their climbing system without having to think intensley and cut limbs confidently. In all that time they will have developed the muscles required for all those tasks also so should be climbing smoothly without effort and not be fatigued when starting a cut.

 

Training is only a very very very basic guideline to start with, experience is the golden key to less accidents, if that experience didn't involve having to learn for themselves through having close calls then that would be a massive step forward. But by the training establishment refusing to accept one handing as a legit practice and refusing to teach it, they are IMO encouraging people to injure themselves through having to learn the hard way.

[Frank]

The way I see it. Training(cs39 or whichever it is) is like a provisional driving license with a theory test pass. You then go on to learn and gain the experience before you are ready to take the test, all the while you are under strict supervision of an instructor with the ability to put the brakes on should he feel it necessary.

[Dean Lofthouse]

The way I see it. Training(cs39 or whichever it is) is like a provisional driving license with a theory test pass. You then go on to learn and gain the experience before you are ready to take the test, all the while you are under strict supervision of an instructor with the ability to put the brakes on should he feel it necessary.

 

Then your employer shoves you straight up a 120' Lombardy and says he'll be back in a bit

[western]

Ok, i've been following this thread for a while now and seen some very intresting view's! IMO i think training should be longer! i mean not a day or two i mean 5year apprentership's! and only apprentership's NO NPTC'S shorts courses i think this is the problem with so many accidents , three week's and you can call yourself a tree surgeon i think this is totally ludicrous!!! seeing as this trade is one of the most dangerous you can do, you cannot train to become a plumber, sparky, brickey in just three week's but you can to be a tree worker:confused1: . things need to change big time!!!!

[Frank]

Then your employer shoves you straight up a 120' Lombardy and says he'll be back in a bit

 

Exactly. Shouldnt be allowed. The way you are working with you apprentice is the way forward IMO. Start out on small stuff, even have an experienced climber in the tree whilst cutting small dead stuff with silky. Gradually working up to more technical larger stuff. After the trainee has shown good knowledge and ability with work positioning and saw handling etc. Woukd be nice to have a 2 year course passing units along the way to becoming a certified tree climber/cutter.

 

That would eliviate this 3 week theory of becoming a tree surgeon.

[Frank]

Ok, i've been following this thread for a while now and seen some very intresting view's! IMO i think training should be longer! i mean not a day or two i mean 5year apprentership's! and only apprentership's NO NPTC'S shorts courses i think this is the problem with so many accidents , three week's and you can call yourself a tree surgeon i think this is totally ludicrous!!! seeing as this trade is one of the most dangerous you can do, you cannot train to become a plumber, sparky, brickey in just three week's but you can to be a tree worker:confused1: . things need to change big time!!!!

 

Exactly. I know of a grass cutting landscaper around this area who was asked to price for some trees, fair play to him he went and got some training. Thing is he now offers All aspects of Tree Surgery. After only a month he has become an Arborist. Brilliant.

[western]

Exactly. I know of a grass cutting landscaper around this area who was asked to price for some trees, fair play to him he went and got some training. Thing is he now offers All aspects of Tree Surgery. After only a month he has become an Arborist. Brilliant.

 

Totally, this is why our game is so saturated with numtys!!!!!!! these are the people who make problem's, taking on job's to big for one's ability etc i've got my nptc's i must be good:laugh1: i use a top handle as an when it is perfectly safe to do so!!!

[Frank]

Could be stopped easily by insurance companys needing to see proof of at least 5years exp before they will entertain insuring them.

Apprenticeships would become the norm. There would be less new startups. The market would be less saturated. No-one would be willing to do it "just for the wood" etc etc. The word Arborist, or Tree Surgeon would begin to mean something again.

[western]

Could be stopped easily by insurance companys needing to see proof of at least 5years exp before they will entertain insuring them.

Apprenticeships would become the norm. There would be less new startups. The market would be less saturated. No-one would be willing to do it "just for the wood" etc etc. The word Arborist, or Tree Surgeon would begin to mean something again.[/quote

 

and in a nut shell:thumbup1: but, not when NPTC are pumping out these courses a 500 buck a pop! money spinner IMO they don't give a monkeys about the industry:thumbdown: lined pockets comes to mind:001_rolleyes:

[Frank]

Could be stopped easily by insurance companys needing to see proof of at least 5years exp before they will entertain insuring them.

Apprenticeships would become the norm. There would be less new startups. The market would be less saturated. No-one would be willing to do it "just for the wood" etc etc. The word Arborist, or Tree Surgeon would begin to mean something again.[/quote

 

and in a nut shell:thumbup1: but, not when NPTC are pumping out these courses a 500 buck a pop! money spinner IMO they don't give a monkeys about the industry:thumbdown: lined pockets comes to mind:001_rolleyes:

 

I know what you mean. Not necessarily the case though. As with the apprenticeship scheme, you would still gain your NPTC certs along the way.

 

It would just stop you doing cs30-31 cs38-39 and starting up your own company. Calling your self a tree surgeon.